.22LR vs .380

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Old May 17th, 2010, 05:24 PM   #1
 
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I was considering carrying a .22 for self defense around the house. I know most people consider .380 the smallest effective caliber. .380 has the advantage of being a centerfire cartridge, and larger diameter. However, the .22 has the advantage of price, for a few bucks you can shoot hundreds of rounds. Balistically they are evenly matched.





.22

CCI velocitor - 40 grain bullet, 1435 fps, 182 ft/lbs at the muzzle

Aguila interceptor - 40 grain bullet, 1470 fps, 195 ft/lbs at the muzzle



.380

Gold Dot hollow point - 90 grain bullet, 990 fps, 196 ft/lbs at the muzzle

Hornady FTX - 90 grain bullet, 1000fps, 200 ft/lbs



I used http://www.firearmexpertwitness.com/...s/calcnrg.html to calculate the .22 ft/lbs.



What do you guys think?
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Old May 17th, 2010, 05:32 PM   #2
 
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I think it's your choice. I prefer larger calibers, but to each their own. In my opinion, any bullet you choose has lethality, but with smaller caliber comes much more importance on shot placement.
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Old May 17th, 2010, 05:44 PM   #3
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In all reality, you can shoot the 22lr more, become more familiar with it, learn to hit what you aim at, and inflict almost as much damage. 5 years ago, I would have felt the same way, but with the invention of the LCP, 380 ammo has improved and made it a more viable platform for self defense. Still, I like the 22lr for a small handgun.
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Old May 17th, 2010, 05:46 PM   #4
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Are your ballistics confirmed to be out of a pistol? That seems a bit high for a sub-nose.



For what it's worth, I've always been fascinated with the .22 MAG J-Frame. That would be the smallest caliber that I would consider. The low recoil and cheap ammo would be nice.



Ballistics from the 22. mag are as follows, but I would assume this is from a 16"+ barrel....





40 gr JHP 1,910 ft/s 324 ft·lbf
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I didn't consider that the .22 ballistics are most likely out of a 16"+ barrel.
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Old May 18th, 2010, 01:06 AM   #6
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Consider the Kel Tec PMR-30... They claim .22LR velocities of that from a rifle in a .22WMR handgun with an MSRP of $415 I think...













TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS



  • Calibers: .22 Magnum
  • Weight unloaded: 13.6oz.
  • Loaded Magazine: 6oz.
  • Length: 7.9"
  • Height: 5.8"
  • Width: 1.3"
  • Barrel length: 4.3"
  • Sight radius: 6.9"
  • Energy (40gr): 138ft-lbs
  • Capacity: 30 rounds
  • Trigger pull: 3.5-5 lbs



A brief Test and Evaluation of the Kel-Tec PMR-30 .22 Magnum handgun - John Ervin - Brass Fetcher Ballistic Testing



Kel Tec PMR-30



http://www.bugoutsurvival.com/2010/0...-want-one.html



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The PMR-30 is a light weight, full size pistol chambered for the flat-shooting .22Magnum cartridge (.22WMR). The PMR-30 operates on a unique hybrid blowback/locked-breech system. This operation system allows for the use of a wide variety of ammunition as it seamlessly adjusts between locked breach and blowback operation, depending on the pressure of the cartridge. It uses a double stack magazine of a new design that holds 30 rounds and fits completely in the grip of the pistol. The trigger is a crisp single action with an over-travel stop. The manual safety is a thumb activated ambidextrous safety lever (up for SAFE, down for FIRE). The slide locks back after the last shot and a manual slide lock lever is also provided. The light, crisp trigger pull and fiber optic sights make the PMR-30 ideal for target shooting and hunting small game.



Slide and barrel are 4140 steel, frame is 7075 aluminum. Grip, slide cover, trigger, mag release, and safety levers are glass reinforced Nylon (Zytel), much like other Kel-Tec Pistols. Magazine is Also Zytel and holds 30 rounds, with round count ports. Other features include: dual opposing extractors for reliability, heel magazine release to aid in magazine retention, dovetailed aluminum front sight, Picatinny accessory rail under the barrel, Urethane recoil buffer, captive coaxial recoil springs. The barrel is fluted for light weight and effective heat dissipation. PMR30 disassembles for cleaning by removal of a single pin.
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Old May 18th, 2010, 05:41 AM   #7
 
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That PMR looks sweet. Went sorta looking for one and was not able to find one for sale. Personally, I like the .380. I have a DB380 for pocket carry. Handles and conceals well. Has near 9mm performance in a small little package. I use it when I am not able to carry the G27. Like someone stated, a .380 in the hand is better than a .45 at home.
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Originally Posted by simmy952' post='257718' date='May 18 2010, 06:41 AM
That PMR looks sweet. Went sorta looking for one and was not able to find one for sale. Personally, I like the .380. I have a DB380 for pocket carry. Handles and conceals well. Has near 9mm performance in a small little package. I use it when I am not able to carry the G27. Like someone stated, a .380 in the hand is better than a .45 at home.




What do you think of that Black Diamond? I saw one for the first time the other day and was amazed. Looks nicer than the LCP that I have. Felt better in the hand.
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What do you think of that Black Diamond? I saw one for the first time the other day and was amazed. Looks nicer than the LCP that I have. Felt better in the hand.


Is it Black Diamond or DiamondBack? I handled a DiamondBack 380 a few weeks ago and it was TINY imo. I beleive they are made in FLA. Id still throw one in my pocket though, but I think im gonna hold out for the BodyGaurd380..



Either that or just go get the PPS (and keep everything in 9mm)





As far as .22 vs. 380 goes... I experience far too many issues with .22 at the range to even consider it for SD (far too many being more than 1 IMO). I know .22 will kill a person, just not sure I wanna chance having a FTE after my first shot...



I've heard of women carrying .22s for CCW (mostly the P22), but this is mainly becuase they can't rack the slides on anything bigger.



I feel I have seen this discussed here before, with the general census being "if you have to use .22 for SD, shot placement is a MUST" as already mentioned. If I were left with my .22 for SD id be taking head shots until it was empty.



I like that Kel-tec too, looks like alot of fun, especially with it holding 30...
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Old May 18th, 2010, 09:32 AM   #10
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Are you serious or is this another one of you humorous posts? Around the house you don't need to worry about size or weight as much, so get yourself an 18" shotgun with a pistol grip or a folding/colapsible stock.
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I handled a DiamondBack 380 a few weeks ago and it was TINY imo.
Like a sub-miniture Glock with M&P45 style serrations and a shorter, light-ish, steel trigger. The family a couple lanes down from mine had a DB380, they experienced at least 2 failures in about 100 rounds which were likely caused either by limp wristing or putting a cartridge in the magazine backwards (same shooter). The mom of the family scored a 6 shot 3" group at 7 yards with it (her first time shooting a handgun), the others... not so great.



Both the parents also fired my M&P357 with the 9mm Storm Lake barrel and they've decided to get an M&P for their home, I told them about the Apex DCAEK trigger and will probably be helping them install one. They were not at all comfortable with the SLB ported 357Sig barrel though, "Flamethrower" handloads probably had something to do with that.
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Around the house you don't need to worry about size or weight as much, so get yourself an 18" shotgun with a pistol grip or a folding/colapsible stock.


I have a shotgun, just not in the same room as me. I liked the .22 because it's extremely small and comfortable to have on me when just hanging out. I just wanted something that was on my person, not upstairs and at the end of the hall away from me. My M&P would fit the bill, but it isn't comfortable when sitting, I need to invest in a new holster for it.
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Originally Posted by KRWeiss' post='257735' date='May 18 2010, 12:32 PM
Both the parents also fired my M&P357 with the 9mm Storm Lake barrel and they've decided to get an M&P for their home, I told them about the Apex DCAEK trigger and will probably be helping them install one. They were not at all comfortable with the SLB ported 357Sig barrel though, "Flamethrower" handloads probably had something to do with that.
You are speaking my language...been thinking about getting a SLB in .357SIG for my MP40c. You may have just convinced me. Thanks. If I do,

I will be sure to get a ported one, just for effect...
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