This is a discussion on .22LR vs .380 within the Autoloaders forums, part of the Armory category; I was considering carrying a .22 for self defense around the house. I know most people consider .380 the smallest effective caliber. .380 has the ...
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|May 17th, 2010, 05:24 PM||#1|
Join Date: Jan 2009
I was considering carrying a .22 for self defense around the house. I know most people consider .380 the smallest effective caliber. .380 has the advantage of being a centerfire cartridge, and larger diameter. However, the .22 has the advantage of price, for a few bucks you can shoot hundreds of rounds. Balistically they are evenly matched.
CCI velocitor - 40 grain bullet, 1435 fps, 182 ft/lbs at the muzzle
Aguila interceptor - 40 grain bullet, 1470 fps, 195 ft/lbs at the muzzle
Gold Dot hollow point - 90 grain bullet, 990 fps, 196 ft/lbs at the muzzle
Hornady FTX - 90 grain bullet, 1000fps, 200 ft/lbs
I used http://www.firearmexpertwitness.com/...s/calcnrg.html to calculate the .22 ft/lbs.
What do you guys think?
|May 17th, 2010, 05:32 PM||#2|
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: East TN
I think it's your choice. I prefer larger calibers, but to each their own. In my opinion, any bullet you choose has lethality, but with smaller caliber comes much more importance on shot placement.
|May 17th, 2010, 05:44 PM||#3|
Join Date: Oct 2008
In all reality, you can shoot the 22lr more, become more familiar with it, learn to hit what you aim at, and inflict almost as much damage. 5 years ago, I would have felt the same way, but with the invention of the LCP, 380 ammo has improved and made it a more viable platform for self defense. Still, I like the 22lr for a small handgun.
|May 17th, 2010, 05:46 PM||#4|
Join Date: Jan 2008
Are your ballistics confirmed to be out of a pistol? That seems a bit high for a sub-nose.
For what it's worth, I've always been fascinated with the .22 MAG J-Frame. That would be the smallest caliber that I would consider. The low recoil and cheap ammo would be nice.
Ballistics from the 22. mag are as follows, but I would assume this is from a 16"+ barrel....
40 gr JHP 1,910 ft/s 324 ft·lbf
|May 18th, 2010, 01:06 AM||#6|
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Salish Sea
Consider the Kel Tec PMR-30... They claim .22LR velocities of that from a rifle in a .22WMR handgun with an MSRP of $415 I think...
A brief Test and Evaluation of the Kel-Tec PMR-30 .22 Magnum handgun - John Ervin - Brass Fetcher Ballistic Testing
Kel Tec PMR-30
|May 18th, 2010, 05:41 AM||#7|
Join Date: Mar 2010
That PMR looks sweet. Went sorta looking for one and was not able to find one for sale. Personally, I like the .380. I have a DB380 for pocket carry. Handles and conceals well. Has near 9mm performance in a small little package. I use it when I am not able to carry the G27. Like someone stated, a .380 in the hand is better than a .45 at home.
|May 18th, 2010, 06:01 AM||#8|
Join Date: Jan 2008
What do you think of that Black Diamond? I saw one for the first time the other day and was amazed. Looks nicer than the LCP that I have. Felt better in the hand.
|May 18th, 2010, 06:35 AM||#9|
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Columbus, Ohio
Is it Black Diamond or DiamondBack? I handled a DiamondBack 380 a few weeks ago and it was TINY imo. I beleive they are made in FLA. Id still throw one in my pocket though, but I think im gonna hold out for the BodyGaurd380..
Either that or just go get the PPS (and keep everything in 9mm)
As far as .22 vs. 380 goes... I experience far too many issues with .22 at the range to even consider it for SD (far too many being more than 1 IMO). I know .22 will kill a person, just not sure I wanna chance having a FTE after my first shot...
I've heard of women carrying .22s for CCW (mostly the P22), but this is mainly becuase they can't rack the slides on anything bigger.
I feel I have seen this discussed here before, with the general census being "if you have to use .22 for SD, shot placement is a MUST" as already mentioned. If I were left with my .22 for SD id be taking head shots until it was empty.
I like that Kel-tec too, looks like alot of fun, especially with it holding 30...
|May 18th, 2010, 09:32 AM||#10|
Join Date: Oct 2007
Are you serious or is this another one of you humorous posts? Around the house you don't need to worry about size or weight as much, so get yourself an 18" shotgun with a pistol grip or a folding/colapsible stock.
Both the parents also fired my M&P357 with the 9mm Storm Lake barrel and they've decided to get an M&P for their home, I told them about the Apex DCAEK trigger and will probably be helping them install one. They were not at all comfortable with the SLB ported 357Sig barrel though, "Flamethrower" handloads probably had something to do with that.
|May 19th, 2010, 12:52 PM||#11|
Join Date: Jan 2009
I have a shotgun, just not in the same room as me. I liked the .22 because it's extremely small and comfortable to have on me when just hanging out. I just wanted something that was on my person, not upstairs and at the end of the hall away from me. My M&P would fit the bill, but it isn't comfortable when sitting, I need to invest in a new holster for it.
|February 24th, 2011, 05:14 PM||#12|
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Kingsland, Ga.
I will be sure to get a ported one, just for effect...
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