|June 18th, 2010, 12:54 PM||#1|
Join Date: Nov 2008
I bought my first semi a couple years back and got a Sigma. What did I have to lose? Since then I've got one for the wife to carry and have fed them both anything and everything without a hicup. My nephew is a M&P guy and has three. My neighbor also has an M&P9c. I have fired them all and the nephew's trigger's are a tad heavier than a glock and darn good. The neighbors can't be more than 3 lbs and short as hell. (think match grade 1911) He got it NIB, is retired NYPD Dect. Sgt. and won't carry it. I polished the internals and both our Sigma's have very smooth, long and about 8 - 8 1/2 lb triggers. They are good for us. I would like to move to a 40 and the SD sounds pretty good. For $400. with a night site and an "improved over Sigma trigger". I like the Sigma series and think I should just get a 40VE, work with the trigger a bit and be happy. The M&P trigger is too light for my liking. Up until a couple years ago I've been a wheel gun guy so I'm used to "fence puller" triggers. I'm just curious what y'all think of the SD series.
|June 20th, 2010, 03:51 PM||#3|
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Rural NE Iowa
I did look them over and fired a couple,didn't care for the trigger but did like the feel. Liked the M&P's much better and went with them.
|June 21st, 2010, 07:38 AM||#5|
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Northern Alabama
The Sigma got a bad reputation (no offense to any Sigman fans here). Between the clunky trigger and self destructing magazines, it's not exactly a shining example of S&W quality.
So I see the SD as a re-invented Sigma with two general improvements: (1) It's a new pistol, with changes made where appropriate to hit the Sigma price point with better quality. (2) It is not named "Sigma".
|August 30th, 2010, 04:26 PM||#7|
Join Date: Aug 2010
I think a few here have missed the point of the SD.
I've seen it stated that the SD will never make inroads into the Law Enforcement Market. Because that is the M&P's niche.
I beg to differ.
Pre Safety Hammer S&W tried for 17 years to replicate the Glock 19/23. They were entirely unsuccessful in doing so until the time this years Shot Show rolled around. The Sigma VE never measured up to the Glock, not because it wasn't reliable (failed to go bang enough)...But because of its awful Lawyer Trigger and stupid proprietary rail.
The SD more than solves all those problems and answers the call many M&P owners have expressed for a Glock 19/23 sized M&P. (Oh GOD NO...MLR just compared the SD to the M&P!) Yes, yes I did. If the Country Club Commando's whining about the SD trigger had actually sprung for about $300 dollars and broken in an SD trigger they'd know better than to judge a S&W Poly trigger right out of the box. But no that would be to much to ask of the "If it didn't cost $700.00 it can't possibly fire three rounds without falling apart" crowd.
The fact is...The SD finally is the S&W Glock Gen 3 19/23...Only $150.00 to $200 dollars cheaper than the Smyrna Product.
The two police handguns most encountered in the United states are the Gen 3 Glock 19 and 23.
While large Departments that buy a standard issue weapon will probably go with the M&P. It's the Smaller departments of 1 to 60 officers or deputies on tight budgets or that require officers to buy their own weapons. Where the Cheap, Glock 19/23 like SD, will make inroads into the traditionally Glock dominated Small Dept segment of the Market.
The the fact that the SD is an incredible value for ones gun buying dollar should be apparent to all but those wearing Gucci Gun Blinders...That only allow them to see price tags with retail numbers over $600 in the gun case. A Sub $400.00 Glock equivalent (that doesn't Ka-boom.) is beyond their level of comprehension.
|November 12th, 2010, 06:16 PM||#8|
Join Date: Nov 2006
I picked one up last week. The trigger was lousy out of the box but after dry firing it 30-40 times the trigger smoothed right out. Now I absolutely love this gun!! It is thinner than the M&P and the Sigma. The new trigger mechanism is simple and reliable. This is a great gun!!
|November 12th, 2010, 09:45 PM||#9|
Join Date: Dec 2006
Well said MLR, and right on too. I see a lot of small town duty holsters with Ruger P89's, Ruger P95's and even Sigmas in them. The SD series will not only steel some of the 19/23 thunder but could be seen as an upgrade to the Ruger and others at a similar price point (when you factor in the front night sight). Back at the beginning of my career when I needed to buy my own sidearm the only gun I could afford was the S&W 915. The SD series could be the 915 of this generation.
|November 27th, 2010, 09:24 PM||#10|
Join Date: May 2008
I've owned Sigmas and now have a MP9 full size.
My SD40 fits between them nicely.
A polish job on the trigger bar where it contacts the striker block gave me a smooth trigger pull of 7lbs 3ozs.
I don't think you can get a Sigma trigger that light and still be reliable.
Grip feels better than Glock, not as good as the MP.
I'm happy with my purchase.
|November 27th, 2010, 11:45 PM||#11|
Join Date: Nov 2009
I bought my first pistol, the 915 back in the early 90's. Like you it was the only gun I could afford back then. The only thing that I did to that pistol was add a slip-on grip and change the rear sight. I loved that the mag could hold 15 rounds until they past that dumb law to 10. Other than that I loved that gun. I nearly cried when my wife told me I had to sell it. It was only right that after about 18 years, my next gun would be the M&P. I haven't regretted it. I'm still thinking about adding the SD 40 to my collection. I'll wait 'til I see more feedback on it...
|December 2nd, 2010, 02:07 PM||#12|
Join Date: Aug 2010
Just a little follow up.
I'm very pleased with the performance of my SD40 so far.
Put about 300 rounds though it at Bullseye indoor range in Wichita a week or so ago. (Very nice range by the way. I bought a family membership to take the step grandkids to shoot .22 League.)
Had three second round failure to feeds. I attribute this to a combination of the rough feed lips found on most new S&W magazines and a box of ten year old PMC Eldorado Starfire .40. that I had inherited from a friend who was killed in a motorcycle accident last year. Hitting the front feed lip of the magazines with a little emery cloth (and latter a little Dremel Polishing.) cleared this problem right up.
These three failure to feeds occurred only in the first three magazines run though the gun. Not at all unusual in a new gun and the SD40 proceeded to devour 200 rounds of Winchester White Box 180gr and 40 rounds of Winchester PDX-1 165gr with no problems at all.
The SD was acceptably accurate in slow deliberate fire. In rapid fire flyers tended to drop a couple of inches low and to the right. I attribute this to the slightly stiff break of the around 8 lb trigger. (I"ll be very interested to see how much improved the SD's will be with the addition of the promised Apex SD Spring kit that Randy Lee spoke of on this forum a couple of months back.) I think about a 7 lb trigger in the SD's would be a great improvement.
With Christmas coming. I probably won't get a chance to shoot the SD40 again until after the new year.
|December 2nd, 2010, 03:57 PM||#13|
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Central Virginia
If it came with the different backstraps I would have bought one for my wife. She tried a rental at the range and didn't like the grip.
She shot a Ruger SR9c and loved it. So I have a M&P 40c and she has the Ruger.
|April 16th, 2011, 01:01 PM||#14|
Join Date: Mar 2009
I have over 1K through my SD9, most WWB and some tula. A few mags of corbon +p 124 grain as well as that is what I carry in my 9mm pistols to get the feel for it. The only real grip I have about the pistol is that the material the frame is made from is slicker than that of the M&P. The trigger feels about like that of a stock glock with slightly longer take up but the weight feels about the same. I have never had a jam of any kind, although I did have a pin in the frame drift out after 50 rounds or so, smith fixed it and had it back in just over a week and threw in an extra mag for my trouble.
I think they have a winner with this model, but I bet it will be overshadowed by the M&P line especially since the price on M&Ps seems to be dropping some what.
|April 29th, 2011, 02:28 PM||#15|
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: People's Republic of NJ :(
I'm glad they did well with this weapon and people are happy with it! But for me, I'll stick with my M&P's.
|May 8th, 2011, 12:36 PM||#16|
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: L.A. (Lower Arkansas)
If the SIGMA trigger is not a problem for you, all you'd really be gaining with the SD is a tritium front sight for an extra 100 bucks. The newer VE series SIGMA pistols ain't the junkers that the first generation models were, certainly don't deserve being called so. From what I've seen, the SIGMA VE pistols are as reliable as any M&P, perfectly suitable for self or home defense. I have two SIGMAS that I keep out of my safe for home defense, my expensive pistols stay locked up, in case of a break in or fire I don't need to worry about losing some expensive firearms. Buy a SIGMA .40 with confidence, after all they DO have the SAME warranty of any other Smith firearm.
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