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|July 15th, 2014, 06:57 PM||#1|
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
Taps for the R51?
RUH-ROH! This is not good....
And after a year of hype, promotion and fan-fair...
Remington Scrubs Almost All Mention of R51 Pistol From Their Website!
....I came REALLY close to buying one when they were first released. My name is still, technically, on a waiting list at my LGS. BUT, from the beginning something wasn't right. My intuition kicked in, my antenna went up. And then the negative reviews started coming in. In May I got to hold one, and play with it for a bit while I discussed it and all of the burgeoning concerns with a Remington factory rep. He was optimistic that all of the manufacturing problems and quality control issues had been addressed....hmmm...maybe not....
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Remington Scrubs Almost All Mention of R51 Pistol From Their Website
From the article:
....."The only official Remington source I can find online that even mentions the R51 besides old press releases is on therock.remington.com, Remingtonís R&D website, and that is only a promo video from over six months ago.
Does this mean Remington is scrapping the R51 pistol? Ceasing advertising while they address issues? Your guess is as good as ours, but one thing is for sure, they certainly arenít pushing it online right now."
|July 16th, 2014, 01:02 PM||#2|
Join Date: Jul 2012
Pretty much indicates a core design issue. When the way forward is more expensive than what you've got sunk into the product, it really gives you an indication of how messed up that product really is. You can fix quality and process issues. You can't fix fundamental design flaws that late in the game. I wonder what will happen to all those who purchased one.
|July 16th, 2014, 01:37 PM||#3|
Join Date: May 2014
I'm another person who came really close to buying one. Being burned by the computer industry a few too many times held me back and apparently paid off in this case. I'm left wondering how much testing Remington really did.
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|July 16th, 2014, 02:48 PM||#4|
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Weeki Wachee, FL
I'm wondering, too.
My FFL sent mine back at least two months ago; and we haven't heard a peep from them since he got the R.A.
I bought mine for a friend on a local forum to do a review; imagine that.
|July 18th, 2014, 10:57 AM||#5|
Join Date: Nov 2013
From what I understand there was also an unannounced polymer pistol that got scraped because of the r51 and the recent restructuring. The source supposedly came from a paraordinance employee that found out his job was in jeopardy over the restructuring. He said they were late in the game on that pistol too, they had already tooled up the factory to produce it.
I think had it gotten a proper development time it might have worked. It was a very ambitious design, not something that should have been rushed to market. I hope this isn't the final swan song for the pistols incorporating the Penderson design. I would have loved to get to my hands on an r53.
|July 27th, 2014, 07:36 PM||#7|
Join Date: Sep 2006
Readers Digest version:
Problems during changeover from prototypes to production.
New one coming out with problems fixed.
Previous pistols will be replaced with new ones, same model, new production.
|July 28th, 2014, 07:20 AM||#8|
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Weeki Wachee, FL
I spoke with Remington a few minutes ago, and they verified what I'd been reading.
Since my FFL returned the pistol and two mags, after production of the "new improved" R51 commences in October; they'll send a new pistol, four mags and a Pelican case to my FFL for me.
I'm not sure how it'll work for those that returned their R51's directly to Remington, as the new replacement pistols will have a new serial number. They will be getting a new gun and all the extras.
If it were me; I'd be finding out how Remington plans to handle those, as it may be that those individuals will need to provide them with contact info for their local FFL.
I don't know if this is the case; just speculating, since those will be new guns with a different serial number than what was on the gun they returned.
No big deal for me, as I have plenty of carry pistols. On the other hand, someone buying an R51 for their first carry pistol is in a predicament. I bought mine April first (poetic justice?), have been without it since mid May, and the replacement guns will go into production sometime in October? That's a long time to wait on a replacement for someone when it's their only gun.
|July 28th, 2014, 08:41 AM||#9|
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Salish Sea
I wonder if they'll be fixing the slide bite issue; a dovetail would be nice for shooters with bigger/fleshier hands.
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