This is a discussion on Thinking of buying a H&K USP 9mm any comments? within the Autoloaders forums, part of the Armory category; Thinking of getting one. Any good or bad comments on it would be appreciated....
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|January 15th, 2008, 06:42 AM||#1|
Join Date: Sep 2007
Thinking of buying a H&K USP 9mm any comments?
Thinking of getting one. Any good or bad comments on it would be appreciated.
|January 15th, 2008, 09:51 AM||#2|
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Central PA
I have an H&K USP compact 9 and a compact 40. They are both incredible combat weapons. They eat anything and never choke, total reliabilty and a great finish. Both of mine have the option #1 triggers, DA/SA. The ONLY negative is its double action trigger pull, its horrendous until it is broken in a bit.
|January 15th, 2008, 10:13 AM||#3|
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Clermont, FL
I have a pair of USP 40's. One is a standard USP, the second is a USP Tactical. Both are DA/SA as opposed to striker fired as the M&P. The DA pull is long and heavy on the standard USP, but the SA pull is crisp. The has HK's Match trigger and it's much better in both DA and SA, and has an adjustable trigger stop for overtravel. I've got about 8k rounds down the standard, it's never had a failure of any kind. They are both tack drivers. Maintenence is easy, clean and lube it, or don't. It's still going to shoot. Field-stripping takes 10 seconds with no tools. The slide release is combined with the takedown lever.
The grip however is blocky and big, if you have smallish hands, you may want to look at a P2000 or P30. The p2000 has interchangeable backstraps, and the p30 has interchangeable backstraps and side panels. They are only available in DA/SA with decocker for the p30 , or DA/SA with decocker or LEM (kind of a light double action) with the p2k. They do not currently have a DA/SA with a safety so you can't carry cocked and locked in those models. They do have a higher bore axis, and will flip more than the M&P, but mine both get back on target quickly. The USP's have a non standard rail which requires an adapter for 1913 stand lights/accessories.
Some may say HK's customer service sucks, but I've heard it's getting better. I personally have never had an issue, as I've never had a failure or breakage and don't expect to.
A new HK will cost $250-$400 more than a M&P depending on the model and dealer, which is why I purchased a M&P 9 rather than a P30 for the range.
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|January 15th, 2008, 10:42 AM||#4|
Join Date: Dec 2006
I have one and its great. I've got nothing to add to what's already been said, other than I also love their ambi mag release.
|January 15th, 2008, 11:58 AM||#5|
Join Date: Jun 2006
I'll say the same things I always say.
Owned one, shot several thousands of round through one, sold it cheap as it is the only way anyone would buy the thing.
What i liked:
-control layout. I have big hands and everything was in the right place for me, could een reach the mag release with my thumb.
-reliability. It went bang every time. it worked when it was dirty as hell. It just worked.
-mags dropped free very well.
What i disliked:
-Trigger. Long, gritty, heavy DA. Run of the mill SA pull, and way too wide for most people.
-Weight. The thing has a polymer frame and is about as heavy as most metqal guns. This means all the weight is reciprocating mass, which makes recoil worse.
-Dual stage recoil spring. To deal with the above, it ahs dual stage recoil springs, which makes the front sights move oddly on recoil. This makes it hard to track sights well and get good rapid sight pictures.
-Bore axis. It's high, and unlike sig's high bore axis, it's not forgiving. More flip on recoil and reduced pointability at least for me.
The net esult is it functional but clunky and harder to use well than it should be. If it were a $450 gun, I'd forgive that. But at near $800, screw that.
|January 15th, 2008, 01:47 PM||#7|
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Clermont, FL
From what I've read on HKPro.com, the P30 9MM and HK45 .45ACP have lower bore axes helping reduce muzzle flip of the USP, and more traditional recoil mechanisms. They both have customizable backstraps, and the P30 also has customizable side panel inserts. Again, the only reason I didn't purchase either of those (yet) is because the local shops didn't have rentals to shoot first and were raping folks over the prices because of the new release.
My M&P 9 to date has been every bit as reliable as my USP 40 however, and was considerably less expensive. It's lighter, points better, and has a better trigger than the DA pull of my USP. Parts, should I need them, also seem to be easier to come by as well.
|January 15th, 2008, 02:02 PM||#8|
Join Date: Nov 2006
I had two USPs, a compact and a full size Expert model with extended slide and match trigger. Both pistols were solidly built and exhibited true quality in construction and materials. They were not very ergonomic and those with small hands need not apply. They also were not designed for pleasure shooting and had more of a combat focus to them, which is what they were designed for.
I would trust my life to one in a combat setting. For everyday range shooting and to develop your fine motor skills for competition or bullseye shooting, I would go with something else. Something else to consider is that there are far fewer accessories (sights, holsters) than other brands. Mags were also very expensive and did not hold much compared to other designs such as a CZ 75b or derivative.
|January 15th, 2008, 08:39 PM||#9|
Join Date: Mar 2007
Sounds like a good polar opposite to an M&P.
Crappy customer service.
Expensive gun/ mags.
Parts tough to get.
High bore axis.
Rigid grip interface.
Poor DA/SA trigger w/ safety-decocker (or LEM).
Wide slide width.
Lower capacity than alternatives.
Should contrast well to an M&P! :wink:
pssst! Get a Glock!
|January 19th, 2008, 09:37 AM||#10|
Join Date: Aug 2007
HK...bleh. If you must buy one at least get the P30. The P30 and HK 45 are nice is a lot of ways but grossly overpriced. Extra mags are stupid expensive.
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