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Old August 20th, 2012, 04:26 PM   #1
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Why you need to learn to move with a loaded firearm

This was a very interesting read from USA Carry and I am sure will cause some discussion but it is something I have often wondered about. Why is almost all training done standing in your little 3ft by 3ft stall when it is only reasonable to assume if something goes wrong in the real world you won't be standing still and neither will the bad guy.
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Old August 20th, 2012, 07:30 PM   #2
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Of course you need to learn to move and shoot. Static shooters make me laugh and sad at the same time.

USPSA and IDPA and 3-Gun are great for learning these very basic skills.
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Static shooters make me laugh and sad at the same time.
That comment kinda gave me a chuckle. Imagine 12 firearm owners of varying competency moving and shooting uncoordinated drills within the time and space constraints of the average 30(ish) foot wide suburban firing range. Maybe those antis have reason to be afraid.

Myself, I'm proud and even grateful to see folks out familiarizing themselves with their firearms, maybe even learning a little something about self defense while they're at it, instead of staying home and expecting the mere presence of an unfamiliar firearm to somehow protect them.

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And low and behold, Paint Ball was born.
Complete with life like targets that behave naturally. Back to real life, there is a range in Bellevue, WA called West Coast Armory that my wife and I almost joined but didn't when I realized I was going to be out of town so much it wasn't worth it. If I remember right during the tour we took they said if we became gold members (the most expensive) we could have access to the tactical bay along with quite a few other nice benefits. It was just huge room that could be set up with barracades to simulate rooms or pretty much whatever you needed to train with, very cool. You could reserve it for time and date so you and other members or a guests could practice real world stuff. It is the only inside range I have seem with this kind of set up which probably explains why on a rainy Seattle day there were about 6 Homeland Security cars in the parking lot. They had just finished their range time when we were getting ready for the tour. We were there back in 2007 or so and I am not sure if this is still offereed. It also is an Insights Training Center.

I just checked their site and Gold as well as Platinum memberships get limited access to the L.E. practice bay. They also have ultrasonic cleaning machines that members can use but I can't remember if use comes with a membership or if it is an extra charge. Link to range page and check out their specials and stuff on home page as well. http://www.westcoastarmory.com/the-range.html

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This was a very interesting read from USA Carry and I am sure will cause some discussion but it is something I have often wondered about. Why is almost all training done standing in your little 3ft by 3ft stall when it is only reasonable to assume if something goes wrong in the real world you won't be standing still and neither will the bad guy.
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Why is most all training done standing in a 3X3 square? Because most of the ass-hats shooting at a gun range should be restricted to shooting from a 3X3 concrete bunker...

Anybody who is serious about training will FIND a way/location where they can move and shoot. Unless the only defensive shooting you plan on doing is from the cover (concealment) of your bedroom door... But then, you can practice shooting from cover at a 3X3 range either. You can't draw from a holster. You can't draw from concealment. You can't shoot faster than one round every 2 seconds... All rules to protect the idiots who only shoot once every 6-12 months, or those too irresponsible to own a gun anyway...

I agree that USPSA/IDPA is the best REGULAR training you can do for gun manipulation, shooting and moving, shooting with accuracy under pressure, etc. Maybe not as good as a top notch defensive shooting school, like Frontsight, or one of the others, but I don't have the cash to do THAT 3-6 times per month!

I try to shoot 250-1000 rounds per month. I'm shooting the Florida State USPSA Championships this coming Sunday. That will be 200-250 rounds on the clock on one Sunday! SWEEEEET!

Get out and TRAIN! Get out of the dead-man's square.

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Why is most all training done standing in a 3X3 square? Because most of the ass-hats shooting at a gun range should be restricted to shooting from a 3X3 concrete bunker...

Anybody who is serious about training will FIND a way/location where they can move and shoot. Unless the only defensive shooting you plan on doing is from the cover (concealment) of your bedroom door... But then, you can practice shooting from cover at a 3X3 range either. You can't draw from a holster. You can't draw from concealment. You can't shoot faster than one round every 2 seconds... All rules to protect the idiots who only shoot once every 6-12 months, or those too irresponsible to own a gun anyway...

I agree that USPSA/IDPA is the best REGULAR training you can do for gun manipulation, shooting and moving, shooting with accuracy under pressure, etc. Maybe not as good as a top notch defensive shooting school, like Frontsight, or one of the others, but I don't have the cash to do THAT 3-6 times per month!

I try to shoot 250-1000 rounds per month. I'm shooting the Florida State USPSA Championships this coming Sunday. That will be 200-250 rounds on the clock on one Sunday! SWEEEEET!

Get out and TRAIN! Get out of the dead-man's square.

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That's why I like the Paint Ball. You have live targets and teams. It teaches you to NOT shoot at anything that moves (could be a team mate) or to hesitate (could be a bad guy). If you do mess up, you are none for the worse. AND, the bad guys shoot back.
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That comment kinda gave me a chuckle. Imagine 12 firearm owners of varying competency moving and shooting uncoordinated drills within the time and space constraints of the average 30(ish) foot wide suburban firing range. Maybe those antis have reason to be afraid.

Myself, I'm proud and even grateful to see folks out familiarizing themselves with their firearms, maybe even learning a little something about self defense while they're at it, instead of staying home and expecting the mere presence of an unfamiliar firearm to somehow protect them.
On behalf of all of us new shooters who are trying to learn to shoot as well as possible, thanks for that comment KR. Made me feel better. One of these days I may be competent enough to be able to be on target as I move, but right now, I'm still trying to learn to shoot well.
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On behalf of all of us new shooters who are trying to learn to shoot as well as possible, thanks for that comment KR. Made me feel better. One of these days I may be competent enough to be able to be on target as I move, but right now, I'm still trying to learn to shoot well.
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For now, I'm concentrating on improving my fundamental skills, but I'm still interested in more advanced forms, such as action shooting.
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Complete with life like targets that behave naturally. Back to real life, there is a range in Bellevue, WA called West Coast Armory that my wife and I almost joined but didn't when I realized I was going to be out of town so much it wasn't worth it. If I remember right during the tour we took they said if we became gold members (the most expensive) we could have access to the tactical bay along with quite a few other nice benefits. It was just huge room that could be set up with barracades to simulate rooms or pretty much whatever you needed to train with, very cool. You could reserve it for time and date so you and other members or a guests could practice real world stuff. It is the only inside range I have seem with this kind of set up which probably explains why on a rainy Seattle day there were about 6 Homeland Security cars in the parking lot. They had just finished their range time when we were getting ready for the tour. We were there back in 2007 or so and I am not sure if this is still offereed. It also is an Insights Training Center.

I just checked their site and Gold as well as Platinum memberships get limited access to the L.E. practice bay. They also have ultrasonic cleaning machines that members can use but I can't remember if use comes with a membership or if it is an extra charge. Link to range page and check out their specials and stuff on home page as well. Washington's Premiere Indoor Shooting Facility
If I am not mistaken The Scottsdale Rifle And Pistol Club in Scottsdale AZ has a room you can do that kind of training in.
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There are places all over the country where you can learn to move and shoot. Even my local range does a 4 hour class as part of cc training. I think anyone who decides to carry needs EXTENSIVE training in every aspect.
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I think, while there is no substitute for live fire while moving training, there are good ways to still get the practice in for some aspects. For instance:

SiRT training pistol- though wont help with recoil management, you can change mags and even work on trigger control, sight/picture alignment, and I *think* slide manipulations. The M&P model should come out this summer and its a one time purchase. Even force on force though it would probably take somebody else watching to help.

Dry fire practice- obviously difficult for striker fired pistol owners but lets take it a step further; you can go through your house with the gun unloaded, safety checked and ammo stored some place else. Get some snap cap, you can practice loading, reloading, tactical etc, malfunction drills (you'll have to physically set up yourself), and draw/fire, fire/reholster and other things.

The aforementioned paintball for reasons mentioned though doesn't quite help with your pistol.

Last, sort of least, airsoft, provided you can find your firearm model, also good for force on force, reloading, draw/fire etc.
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I would rank airsoft above dryfire and well above SIRT for training to shoot on the move. Other than the lack of recoil it is a fantastic training method for self defense and IDPA/USPSA.
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Really? Interesting. I didn't actually give much thought to my order and naturally/subconsciously added airsoft last because many people only see the "toy" aspect of it.
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