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Old April 28th, 2013, 02:05 AM   #1
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I am a Marine stationed out of Camp Lejeune Jacksonville North Carolina.
I recently purchased my first firearm (Smith and Wesson M&p 40 Pro Series) from my home state of Florida after running into so much trouble in trying to purchase a firearm up here.
In order to purchase a pistol in North Carolina you must have a pistol purchase permit or a North Carolina concealed carry license. To acquire a purchase permit you must fill out a bit of paper work and go through a process that takes about 10-12 business days. However, if you are in the military you must provide a background check from PMO(Provost Marshall's Office aka Military Police) and a letter of recommendation from your Commanding Officer stating you are of allowed to purchase a pistol or hold a concealed carry license from North Carolina. I understand the concealed carry license to a degree. The state of North Carolina is allowing a non resident to claim a certain level of residency and they need something to show for it.
The question is: do you think you would have a problem with there being a requirement on purchasing a handgun that says "you must give us written consent from your regional manager (which is what a commanding officer is more or less) saying that you may purchase a gun or have a concealed carry license?
For reference see BO 5500.1G pending BO 5500.1H(since Feb. 2012) 5500.1H is being written to streamline the process but it has been over a year since they made that announcement.
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Old April 28th, 2013, 02:20 AM   #2
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Yes. I have a problem with that. Heck, was going to put FT Bragg on my possible list of future assignments (I'm Army) but I'm trying to PCS to a more gun-friendly state. I've got my CCL via Arizona.

I have to have a laminated card to even TOUCH a box of ammunition here in Illinois. We have no concealed carry and the Chicago mafia would love for us to have NO guns/ammo!!! In order to get my FOID card, I had to show three types of ID.

Enjoy NC!
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You should not have to jump thru those hoops, but its just a fact of life in the military.

It seriously needs to be fixed, but the Pentagon does not want it fixed. They like making it hard for members to have guns.

I have a worse one for you. Being stationed in DC, live in VA, resident of Michigan. In this situation I was for all practical purposes barred from purchasing a handgun. Can't buy one in VA because in not a resident or stationed in VA, can't buy one in DC, and can't buy one in Michigan unless I go back for a couple days and its still a problem because I have not actually lived in Michigan for years so I have no address.

There should be a federal law that restores gun rights to military members, but don't hold your breath. I think our current administration sees us as... I'll shut up now since I am still on active duty.
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I only had to show a copy of my PCS orders in the states I was stationed in otherwise I was regarded as a resident of those states.
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I only had to show a copy of my PCS orders in the states I was stationed in otherwise I was regarded as a resident of those states.
My PCS orders were to DC. You can't buy a gun in DC unless you actually live in DC (and then only one off the approved list). Catch 22 if you live in VA and are stationed in DC.
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Yes, it's unfair, and yes, you've been caught in the perfect storm of NC's pistol laws and the fact that the military, even though it might trust you with automatic weapons, tanks that can blow up buildings, or aircraft that can wipe out small cities doesn't trust you to personally own a firearm any more than it does a five year old.
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My big problem is that the BO 5500.1G was published in March 2004. It was announced that BO 5500.1H in an effort to streamline the process for Marines to get their North Carolina concealed permit or handgun purchase permit. The announcement was made over a year ago as a result of accusations that our (military members) 2nd amendment rights were being inhibited. There have been no further updates. Article: MCB Camp Lejeune streamlining concealed carry weapons permit policy > Marine Corps Base Camp Lejeune > News Article View
The article claimed that the new order was in the works. We came of with a way to eliminate the tuition assistance program and bring it back with in a few months but over the last 14 months we haven't come up a solution to something that is trampling on the rights of our service members.
The problem that comes along(that I experienced and that is in the article) Is that you get all of your paper work then you take your NRA concealed class and you take all of your papers to the base. That's where you experience trouble. You get told that you have to get your paper signed by your CO but he/she wont sign it until the Military Police do your background check, finger printing, etc, but they wont sign off on it until... you see where this is going or not going for that matter.
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I am a Marine stationed out of Camp Lejeune Jacksonville North Carolina.
I recently purchased my first firearm (Smith and Wesson M&p 40 Pro Series) from my home state of Florida after running into so much trouble in trying to purchase a firearm up here.
In order to purchase a pistol in North Carolina you must have a pistol purchase permit or a North Carolina concealed carry license. To acquire a purchase permit you must fill out a bit of paper work and go through a process that takes about 10-12 business days. However, if you are in the military you must provide a background check from PMO(Provost Marshall's Office aka Military Police) and a letter of recommendation from your Commanding Officer stating you are of allowed to purchase a pistol or hold a concealed carry license from North Carolina. I understand the concealed carry license to a degree. The state of North Carolina is allowing a non resident to claim a certain level of residency and they need something to show for it.
The question is: do you think you would have a problem with there being a requirement on purchasing a handgun that says "you must give us written consent from your regional manager (which is what a commanding officer is more or less) saying that you may purchase a gun or have a concealed carry license?
For reference see BO 5500.1G pending BO 5500.1H(since Feb. 2012) 5500.1H is being written to streamline the process but it has been over a year since they made that announcement.
Why don't you simply apply for a Florida or an Arizona non-resident license? NC honors both of those licenses. Since you already have the gun - you should be good to go. What am I missing????
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If I get my Florida concealed then yes I can carry but no one in this area can let you purchase unless you have a NC concealed or purchase permit. Even if I were to order off gunbroker, if it comes to a ffl here then ffl is required to see that NC paperwork.
I own a full size M&P that I purchased when I went home on post deployment leave. I want to get a concealed ( Im looking at the S&W Bodyguard 380) Now I am in a position that I can't go home for a long time

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How absurd that you're serving our country and defending our rights yet you need to jump through all of those hoops to actually exercise one of your rights. Ridiculous.
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You should not have to jump thru those hoops, but its just a fact of life in the military.

It seriously needs to be fixed, but the Pentagon does not want it fixed. They like making it hard for members to have guns.

I have a worse one for you. Being stationed in DC, live in VA, resident of Michigan. In this situation I was for all practical purposes barred from purchasing a handgun. Can't buy one in VA because in not a resident or stationed in VA, can't buy one in DC, and can't buy one in Michigan unless I go back for a couple days and its still a problem because I have not actually lived in Michigan for years so I have no address.

There should be a federal law that restores gun rights to military members, but don't hold your breath. I think our current administration sees us as... I'll shut up now since I am still on active duty.


I see so much of this at my gun counter on langley its not even funny
are you at the pentagon?
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I see so much of this at my gun counter on langley its not even funny
are you at the pentagon?
No, the other side of the river in DC.

Its funny I can get arrested for having just one unfired handgun round in my car, but the security guard at the front of my building can carry a Glock with a full magazine. The difference between us is he got kicked out of military for smoking dope, and I'm still on active duty

You just have to love the liberal logic, he is trustworthy for some reason, but me and those like me are not.
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Guess I never ran into these issues at Bragg. PMO process took 5mins then a quick signature by the CO on the form. Take that, $5, and your PCS orders down to the sheriffs office for the permit. Turn around time was usually 2 days. Then pick it up and swing by Jim's (LGS) to pick up my FFL transfer. It wasn't a tough process at all.

Sure is nice to be back in TN now though. Walk in to a store and fill out the form and walk out with your purchase. It's a 10min total process here unless the background check system is clogged with entries.
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Do you need paperwork to buy from a person also? If not then buy it used. Cheaper that way and less of a hassle. Missouri just needs a "bill of sale" if sold from person to person. Armslist or even Facebook are always good places to find a decent gun.
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It's amazing to me that LEOs move about wherever they want with a gun, almost with impunity... but an Active Duty Marine is treated like a common criminal, miscreant, and irresponsible by ALL Military bases, and many states.

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