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Old June 6th, 2014, 05:22 PM   #1
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Restaurant gun ban sign

Today, my wife and I went to buffalo wings and rings to eat. On the front of their door was a sign that said " We ban guns on this premises". I do not have my CCW just yet and I was wondering if this is a legal sign or not. It did not say anything about law or police, just "enforced by management"

If it was a legal sign, then what would happen if your caught with a weapon in the place. Arrested, gun confiscated, citation or what?
Just curious as how to handle this place when I do get my CCW!
Thanks!

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Old June 6th, 2014, 05:24 PM   #2
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Don't Eat There!!!
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Old June 6th, 2014, 05:39 PM   #3
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I just took the class for my Texas CHL, and Texas has something that sounds similar. Kentucky may be different, but in Texas it's a Class A misdemeanor under Texas penal code section 30.06 to enter an establishment carrying a concealed handgun if you've received notice that carrying the handgun is forbidden. A written notice (sign) usually reads something like this:

Pursuant to Section 30.06,
Penal Code (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed
handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411,
Government Code (concealed handgun law), may not enter this
property with a concealed handgun

I agree...eat somewhere else.
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It is their property and they can do as they wish, Best thing to do in not eat there. Don't support them.
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Old June 6th, 2014, 06:00 PM   #5
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Its understandable though, though I do not support this at a regular restaurant, wings and rings is a restaurant/sports bar and they are known to let their customers drink till they drop, here in tx atleast. And I do not support booze and guns mixing, you may be a responsible guy but others are not, weve had shootings here at bars over arguments and no not dive bars im talking about family restaurants/ sports bars. It only takes one screw up to ruin it for the rest. You can choose not to support it, personally I dont care if a friend of mine felt unsafe with me haviing a gun while drinking then I wouldnt bring it out of respect. They should change their sign to "if you have a concealed weapon, alcohol is prohibited"
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If curious, research what KY carry laws apply and if there's a difference between 'Official' (State Recognized) signage, the typical 'No Guns' (gunbusters) signs and what he has posted.

Here, as Ag76 wrote, there's the 'Official 30.06' Signage, as well as the '51%' signage (for bars and establishments that obtain 51% of their revenue from on property consumption of alcohol)... Then there's the Unofficial 'Gunbuster' stickers/signs that carry very little weight legally, but the owner can have you charged with Trespassing, should he ask you to leave and you don't (IF he/she notices your pistol at all).

Me... I'd let the establishment know that I USED to enjoy their food, but will not be back if they don't allow Legal Concealed Carry... (and wish him/her a good day)
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Use Google much?

Kentucky Concealed Carry Permit Information

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/kentucky.pdf

Without having to put any effort into reading the links I provided, their signage carries no force of law, they can ask you to leave, concealed is concealed, but what do I know; I'm some Joe from Washington on the interwebs and not a legislature from KY, so find out for yourself!

I say don't give them a cent and let them know why on the principle of the matter.
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Old June 6th, 2014, 07:08 PM   #8
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In South Carolina there is a specific length, width and wordage in order for the sign to be "legal". Most establishments do not meet the criteria and therefore is truly is unenforceable.

As others have stated, regardless weather it is a legal sign or not, if you have made it clear that you don't want my business, then that's fine by me.
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Old June 6th, 2014, 08:07 PM   #9
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In florida unless the sign lists specific paragraphs in the florida gun law pages, its just managements wishes. If youre found out they can ask you to leave and then you have to or else its armed trespassing but at first, its just them asking nicely.
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Thanks for all the help, and yes I use Google a lot, but all this CCW here you can, but there you can't carry concealed is all new to me. I guess the good thing about it all is my CCW instructor I will go to is the county law enforcement constable and is a BIG proponent of taking down "no guns allowed" signs and has successfully had some owners take them down once they realize it really means "don't worry, come in and rob me, it will be easy"
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Would not be a LEGAL sign in TX.
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Old June 7th, 2014, 05:11 AM   #12
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Guns are not aloud in any bars here. If a No Weapons sign is posted all the owner can do is ask you to leave if you're caught. IF you refuse you can be charged with trespassing is all.

Best thing to do is not give them your business and let them know you don't feel save in a gun free zone because only fools and honest people will follow those stupid rules.
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Mass they can post signs like that on private property and you can still enter the premises while carrying. If caught the owners can/have to ask you to leave and you must comply. If you do not they can call the police and then it would be trespassing and whatnot.
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This is partially true, signs in FL. have no weight regardless of how it's posted. HOWEVER, if you are carrying, and are asked to leave, whether you are found out or not and the police come to remove you, THEN you have an issue.

Any establishment may ask you to leave for any circumstances. Their company policy on carry is a non issue in FL.

So, the best defense is a good offense. If you are carrying, then leave when asked.

Addendum: You may not sit at the bar. The tables in the bar area are questionable. I'm not the poster child, so most establishments have some sort of divider, be it a half wall, something that distinguishes the bar area from the rest of the restaurant. I walk around that area at all times, treating it like an invisible barrier.

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In florida unless the sign lists specific paragraphs in the florida gun law pages, its just managements wishes. If youre found out they can ask you to leave and then you have to or else its armed trespassing but at first, its just them asking nicely.

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Here in the Great State of Texas, Chipotle's are asking us gun owners to please leave our guns at home when dining at their fine establishments without posting any signage at all, legal or otherwise.

I personally like their policy a lot, as I can disregard it when eating burritos as long as I make sure I'm concealed.
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