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Old July 31st, 2014, 09:11 AM   #16
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Totally agree one has to do what one has to do. The thing is if the bad guy has a rifle then I with a pistol would be severely under gunned. You would think that fire code would say you have to have exits at opposing ends so that if the font is blocked you have access to a rear exit and vise versa.
Undergunned in comparison to a rifle? Absolutely, but still far more of a deterrent than 99.9% of the other patrons inside the building.
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Old July 31st, 2014, 11:28 AM   #17
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Undergunned in comparison to a rifle? Absolutely, but still far more of a deterrent than 99.9% of the other patrons inside the building.
True... Most "I'm pissed at the world so I'm gonna kill random people" shooters are just looking for someone to dispatch them because they're too much of a pussy to just shoot themselves. Typically this is the police's job. If I'm stuck in that scenario, I'll be more than happy to do the job. And then I'll finish my lunch...

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Old July 31st, 2014, 12:26 PM   #18
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True... Most "I'm pissed at the world so I'm gonna kill random people" shooters are just looking for someone to dispatch them because they're too much of a pussy to just shoot themselves. Typically this is the police's job. If I'm stuck in that scenario, I'll be more than happy to do the job. And then I'll finish my lunch...

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The on active shooter who was an exception to the rule was the McD's shooter he killed 21 people and didn't stop until a Swat sniper took him out. He kept on shooting long after the police showed up.
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I'm just happy to know that I'm not the only whacko who assesses nearly every location I sit down for exits and lines of fire....

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Situational awareness. Always expect the unexpected.
Most people don't think this way and they tend to think the people who do are crazy.
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Old December 26th, 2014, 09:45 AM   #21
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Growing up in a rough area of New Jersey I learned early on to never sit with your back to the door and be in condition yellow. People who know me allow me to choose my location and chair. Sometimes neither are the best locations. One thing to consider though is Murphy's Law and if you are ready nothing will (hopefully) happen.
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Old December 26th, 2014, 12:50 PM   #22
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I'm just happy to know that I'm not the only whacko who assesses nearly every location I sit down for exits and lines of fire....

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Doesn't everyone do that?

I've been doing that for so long (including when in parking lots, outside, wherever I am), it's just an ongoing process.
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Old December 27th, 2014, 10:36 AM   #23
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Doesn't everyone do that?

I've been doing that for so long (including when in parking lots, outside, wherever I am), it's just an ongoing process.
When I told guys I work with that I ask for seats with my back to a wall at restaurants and other eating establishments where I can see everything they all said I was crazy. You should have seen their faces when I said I only use bathroom stalls and no urinals in public lol.
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Totally agree one has to do what one has to do. The thing is if the bad guy has a rifle then I with a pistol would be severely under gunned.
Usually, most active shooters, unless they are former military, have very little if any formal training on how to effectively use their weapon, rifle or pistol. A person with good training and lots of practice is not necessarily "outgunned" against a person with a rifle, who has had no training or practice, especially in close quarters. Proper use of cover and being able to shoot fast and accurately is more important than what you bring to the game. As one of my favorite instructors would say: "The software is far more important than the hardware" and after training with him, I concur.
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I never heard of this before. It's sent shivers down my spine reading how it all unfolded... what a disgraceful person.

Interestingly, today I was sitting in Taco Bell with wife and daughter and I saw a young man get out of his car and - to me - looked to be about 18 years old - and I saw him put a gun in a side holster as he walked towards the entrance with a friend who also looked approximately 18. Knowing that CCW permits require holders to be 21+ in this state, I instantly felt a bit uneasy and had my wife and daughter instantly exit the building in the opposite direction the male was approaching it from.

Now, of course I was jumping to conclusions and the young man was more than likely 21+ and legally carrying, but at the exact moment I saw him, I felt uneasy and didn't feel like giving someone the benefit of a doubt. Nothing was on the news tonight about trouble at Taco Bell.
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There is not much thought into how to properly evacuate folks in a dangerous situation when these places are built. Death funnel is what comes to mind......
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I'm just happy to know that I'm not the only whacko who assesses nearly every location I sit down for exits and lines of fire....
Few people take any kind of personal security seriously until they have a nasty experience. I don't eat at fast food joints very often, but whenever I go to a new restaurant [or movie theatre] I take a minute to check the location of the exits, whether they're accessible [sometimes doors are blocked, or locked shut...illegal, but $#!t happens...] and where those exits lead. I'm prevented by law from being properly armed, so I make sure I have an escape route whenever I sit down in public.
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