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This is a discussion on Surroundings within the CCW forums, part of the Armory category; OK so at lunch today I'm sitting with the wife at McDs, as people walk up to the entrance I look at them. Then I ...


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Old July 29th, 2014, 01:47 PM   #1
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OK so at lunch today I'm sitting with the wife at McDs, as people walk up to the entrance I look at them. Then I start to think what if I see a shooter with a rifle or pistol coming up to the door. I start looking at exits, then cover and notice something really frightening. The two marked exits are at the very front of the place and 95% of the tables are in back of the entrance where there is no exit. So basically if an active shooter comes in there is no way to get out without confronting him.

You would think that after San Ysidro they would have made them easier to get out of.

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Old July 29th, 2014, 02:32 PM   #2
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Sad to say, but that building is a bullet trap in that scenario. IMO, hopefully an armed person could engage and eliminate the threat and/or there are windows near the rear of that building. Drive-thru looks good, though .
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Old July 29th, 2014, 03:29 PM   #3
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Most have doors next to the bathroom (In your drawing). Usually for fire purposes.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 04:12 PM   #4
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Didn't go to the bathroom but there were no exit signs in that area.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 06:15 PM   #5
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Amazing how many places are just like that. I'm always looking for exits.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 07:41 PM   #6
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Windows are easy exits...
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Old July 30th, 2014, 05:10 AM   #7
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Not if someone who is with you is handicapped. Windows are at about 40" high and all face the same way as the main exit.
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Old July 30th, 2014, 02:18 PM   #8
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Problem solved; don't eat at the Fallen Arches besides, who would rob a McDs anyway?
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Old July 30th, 2014, 03:46 PM   #9
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Problem solved; don't eat at the Fallen Arches besides, who would rob a McDs anyway?
San Ysidro McDonald's massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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The sad truth in these types of scenarios is that unless the shooter is stopped prior to getting inside an establishment and they start firing, people are going to die/be seriously injured. I am physically disabled and in a wheelchair as well. As such, I came to the realization long ago that if I am in a situation where I would have to use deadly physical force, I would have to keep myself facing the person who is attacking me, as I have literally zero chance or options of "getting away".

I personally carry two CCW pistols, not because I am necessarily overly paranoid, but because I do not have the same options available as an able bodied person as far as being able to seek the same types of cover or concealment (or to simply run to a safer location). Windows are pretty much not going to work real well for me and even if I were able to get out a window, I would probably have no shorts left on after I got to the other side (this would likely be traumatic to others as well) and at that point, I would have to slug bug my way to safety.

If something like you linked to happened while I was inside with my family, I would do whatever necessary to protect them. If that means losing my life in the process, I would hope to be able to stop whoever was doing the shooting prior to leaving this earth. Sometimes, you just have to do the best you can with what you have to work with.
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Totally agree one has to do what one has to do. The thing is if the bad guy has a rifle then I with a pistol would be severely under gunned. You would think that fire code would say you have to have exits at opposing ends so that if the font is blocked you have access to a rear exit and vise versa.
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I still think the food is scarier...
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Actually did have that thought.....
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I'm just happy to know that I'm not the only whacko who assesses nearly every location I sit down for exits and lines of fire....

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There is not much thought into how to properly evacuate folks in a dangerous situation when these places are built. Death funnel is what comes to mind......
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