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Old July 31st, 2014, 01:29 PM   #1
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Help/Direction re: Letter to Church, re: CCW on Premises

The Ohio revised code states in section 2923.126 - Duties of Licensed Individual ....

*Paragraph (B) "A valid license does not authorize the licensee to carry a concealed handgun into any of the following places:"

*Paragraph (B)(6) "Any church, synagogue, mosque, or other place of worship, unless the church, synagogue, mosque, or other place of worship posts or permits otherwise;"

Now, I know that is a pretty vague statement - "posts or permits otherwise." What that really means is subjective and open to much discussion and conjecture. Not the reason for the post.

The reason for the post is simple. I don't want to re-invent the wheel unless I have to.

I am looking for some help, guidance and direction on coming up with a cogent, well penned and thought out, letter (Complete with Biblical references and maybe some statistics as they apply) that makes the case for Carrying Concealed in church. I want to send said letter to my church governing board, making the case for, and petitioning them for, allowing lawful, licensed, concealed carry on the church campus. ie "permit" per para. (B)(6) above

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1,) Does anybody know IF such a letter might already exist "out there" on the Interwebs someplace? In another forum, perhaps?
FYI, I've found one example but It wasn't at all what I was looking for.

2.) Has anyone already written a similar letter to their church that I could either use as a template or at least get some ideas from?

I would greatly appreciate any help or guidance in this effort.
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Old July 31st, 2014, 04:40 PM   #2
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I don't have an example of a letter but i can suggest you look at all the cars in the parking lot after services.If you see any with a NRA sticker,wait for the owner and see who it is. He could tell you about other gun owners in the congregation who might be of help.

I am grateful that in FL,I am not barred from carrying unless the board asks me to leave and that's what "concealed" is for.
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Old July 31st, 2014, 05:33 PM   #3
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I would do your homework and research the Colorado Springs church shooting that took place years ago. The only reason why more people weren't killed was because the active shooter was engaged by a woman carrying a concealed weapon legally!
Churches are vulnerable these days because the doors are always unlocked on service days, and everybody knows churches take up tithes and offerings every service (MONEY!!!!).
By proof, all it takes is someone with a weapon to engage the shooter to stop bloodshed!
My pastor's view on guns in his church is:"the more, the better!"
God forbid, it takes a violent situation with people hurt and killed by a gunman for your pastor to change his mind!

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Oops! Sorry double post! Curse my fat fingers!

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Sometimes its better to ask forgiveness rather than permission. If your firearm is concealed, who will know?
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Old August 1st, 2014, 03:28 AM   #6
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Sometimes its better to ask forgiveness rather than permission. If your firearm is concealed, who will know?
Ahh...one of my favorites, and one that I've practiced many times in my chosen career field!... And I have certainly thought about taking that route in this case, for sure!

For now, at least, I just don't feel comfortable doing that. For me It is matter of trust, personal integrity and self respect.

PLUS...

What makes matters worse, however, are the internal church politics of it all, and they are a bit difficult to explain, to say the least. But, IF I did, you would probably run down the road screaming. Which is another reason why I want to take the high road on this...as much, and as far, as I can. And to be honest with you, It may very well end up back at your suggestion.
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IF your pastor is open to the discussion in the first place, I would point out the GateKeeper ministy which was developed after the Colorado Springs church shooting. In my church I have a particular LEO who is heavily involved but is VERY anti second amendment so there are many of us who "will just ask for forgiveness" if a situation arises. I carry concealed so it is between me and God.
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I am an usher at my church and our Senior Pastor has asked the ushers to practice "situational awareness" while performing our duties and be on the watch for strange or unusual activities.

Without asking his position I just concealed carry and do not advertise it.

I would feel that I failed my family and other members if we had an emergency and I had neglected to be prepared.

YMMV
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The verse from scripture you're looking for is Nehemiah 4:17. In quick summary, as they were rebuilding the wall around the city, the prophet had them prepared with weapons.

There are a couple of ways of dealing with this. Review some YouTube videos of church violence. Show your elders or board how real the problem really is. Many churches now address safety and security. It's better for the church to be onboard with an entire system then you going solo.

Concealed carry is just that. Concealed. No one should know you're carrying. When that's in place properly, you can go anywhere that doesn't search you or run you through a metal detector and no one should know you're carrying. I think you can get the point. What you do, you do.'

My wife carries in church all the time, her weapon is in her purse. Anyone that knows her knows she's carrying, it's not a big deal.
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Ahh...one of my favorites, and one that I've practiced many times in my chosen career field!... And I have certainly thought about taking that route in this case, for sure!

For now, at least, I just don't feel comfortable doing that. For me It is matter of trust, personal integrity and self respect.

PLUS...

What makes matters worse, however, are the internal church politics of it all, and they are a bit difficult to explain, to say the least. But, IF I did, you would probably run down the road screaming. Which is another reason why I want to take the high road on this...as much, and as far, as I can. And to be honest with you, It may very well end up back at your suggestion.

Doing this in Ohio in a church is a felony, unlike other places, which is only trespassing.

I'm not sure of which denomination you are speaking about, but from what I have read elsewhere, if it is the Catholic or United Methodist, you have the proverbial snowballs chance.

There is some pending legislation that would change churches in Ohio to just like any other place. If they don't want you to carry, they would have to place gun buster signs on all the doors.

I would suggest you check out buckeyefirearms.org and Ohioans For Concealed Carry Discussion Forums ? Index page as both of these have covered this very subject recently.

Remember the law in Ohio only applies to the church building and not the parking lot unless the lot is also posted.
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Sorry, I also meant to include a quote of the post by jwh321
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