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Old July 27th, 2015, 03:36 PM   #1
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Scenario, need input.

A guy, thug, whatever approaches you and with a hand in his pocket says, "give me your wallet or I'll kill you". You can see a bulge like a barrel poking inside the pocket.

You fire.

It turns out it is just his finger, are you in trouble? I’m in FL, the “stand your ground/castle doctrine” state.

Any opinions, or comments in general?

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Old July 27th, 2015, 04:42 PM   #2
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"Officer, I believe I was in imminent danger of Death or great bodily harm." That's all till you get a lawyer. From NC, a new castle doctrine state.
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Old July 27th, 2015, 06:02 PM   #3
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I have seen a lot of commentary and I wish I could remember where it was, stating that you do not have to be right... just reasonable. I could be providing you with false hope so tread lightly but the story was about a young lady who shot through her door and killed what she believed was an intruder trying to break down her door. Turned out to be a drunk neighbor trying to get into the wrong house without his keys late at night. Might have read it on MSW under one of the law articles but I honestly am not sure. Otherwise damn straight I would say over and over again what SpinyNorman said until I could get a lawyer to give advice and help with the scenario.

Great topic on Pistol Forum discussing lethal force and display of a weapon as a deterrent. I'll dredge it up and send you a PM over the next couple days. Might be worth your time to read.
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Old July 27th, 2015, 06:34 PM   #4
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If anyone threatens me for whatever reason, telling me they'll kill me if I don't comply, and leads me to believe they're pointing a gun at me; I'm taking them out; RTRN.

The authorities can sort things out later based on the best available information they have (my testimony); but I'll be going home to my family.
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Old July 28th, 2015, 01:25 AM   #5
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Excellent answer Rick.
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Old July 28th, 2015, 04:02 AM   #6
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Bank robbers do this....the implied threat....hand in pocket....they get the money and run....then the dye pack explodes after they exit the bank.

In the original post, the threat of death for non-compliance is stated. In your mind you had the justification for the shooting...self-defense. But in this day of "media justice" it is hard to say what would happen when the story hits the press. Lawyer up.
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Old July 28th, 2015, 04:08 AM   #7
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Quote: "give me your wallet or I'll kill you"

That's all I need. He's getting shot until he's down. Then I'll "try to keep him alive" until the paramedics/police arrive.

Now were was that cell phone? Hey, I got a text message! What's going on on Facebook? Anything good in the news feeds? OH... WAIT... I was going to dial 911!

What's the number for 911 again?

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Old July 28th, 2015, 07:20 AM   #8
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In today's society a person that defends himself/herself with a pistol is often considered guilty until proven innocent. That's why there are a lot of companies providing coverage for people that have to defend themselves. In some places, if you pull your weapon, whether you shoot or not, you will be arrested and then will have to hire a lawyer to prove you feared for your life. However, a person can't let the fear of prosecution keep them from protecting one's self. The choice is get injured or killed or injure or kill someone else and then face the expense of proving the shooting was justified or possibly going to prison. Whether or not one chooses to pay for insurance is a personal matter but it may not be a bad idea today.
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Old July 28th, 2015, 08:17 AM   #9
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If they're in my home, no questions asked they're going down. If I'm on the street during daytime and someone says they're going to kill me, I'm drawing and waiting for a lethal weapon to be presented before I shoot. In the darkness of night when I can't see their hands, im not taking a chance.

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Old July 28th, 2015, 09:51 AM   #10
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Much prefer to be tried by 12 than carried by 6.
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Old July 30th, 2015, 04:04 PM   #11
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Thanks all, hopefully I'll never have to make the decision.
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Old July 30th, 2015, 11:39 PM   #12
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The standard is "reasonable fear". If they successfully trick you into believing they are an imminent lethal threat you are justified in defending yourself with lethal force.

Unfortunately, actually being justified and convincing others (police, prosecutor, jury, media, friends, family, etc.) that you were justified are not necessarily the same thing.
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Old August 12th, 2015, 01:16 PM   #13
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Thanks all, hopefully I'll never have to make the decision.
I agree but this is why I carry insurance. If I ever have to draw and shoot, I can at least have someone defend me that knows how to defend gun owners.

~$100 a year.
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Old August 12th, 2015, 05:52 PM   #14
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From a Canadian ....

Stop or I'll say stop again! Please.
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Old August 14th, 2015, 06:24 AM   #15
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There lies the problem......

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The standard is "reasonable fear". If they successfully trick you into believing they are an imminent lethal threat you are justified in defending yourself with lethal force.

Unfortunately, actually being justified and convincing others (police, prosecutor, jury, media, friends, family, etc.) that you were justified are not necessarily the same thing.
I have 4 different companies on my desk, haven't acted yet. I think that's what I'm gonna do. Who are you using might I ask?

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I agree but this is why I carry insurance. If I ever have to draw and shoot, I can at least have someone defend me that knows how to defend gun owners.

~$100 a year.

LOL

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From a Canadian ....

Stop or I'll say stop again! Please.
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