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Old March 14th, 2016, 06:47 AM   #1
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To Shot or Not to Shot

This is an ongoing discussion on another forum and thought I would share it here as well.

Watch the video and share what you would do as the driver of the SUV.
LiveLeak.com - Road Rage 3/5/16

Then also what you would do if you were the car filming and they made it through the window.
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Old March 14th, 2016, 12:31 PM   #2
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As the driver of the SUV. If somebody blocked me in I would retrieve my firearm and hold it at low ready with one hand on the firearm then if multiple assailants exited their vehicle and attempted to enter mine/drag me out I would use my car as a weapon and or to escape. Plan B if I'm blocked in and they press entry into my vehicle(break glass or open a door) I would give at least one a little love and see if others wanted some.
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Old March 14th, 2016, 05:12 PM   #3
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That's a good question/scenario and I like the response above.
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Old March 17th, 2016, 12:55 AM   #4
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No shoot. Run over instead. Preferably the driver. Back up as far as possible before going forward. Hopefully they'll be lazy and return to their vehicle. If not then you have the greatest amount of time before they can get mobile again.
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Situational awareness; the "event" began before the blockade when the pursuers were desperately maneuvering for a way around the vehicle on the narrow street.......too busy with ear buds, texting, shopping list ??

Using the accelerator / steering in a more aggressive manner, than in the video, to get yourself off the "X"would be a reasonable Plan B (see below). Plan A was to always be aware of your situation.

In Florida you would have been within your Rights to stand your ground against this forcible felony and use "reasonable" deadly force if you chose to, Plan C.
Displaying your firearm toward the perp(s) with an accidental discharge, resulting in a death, is a game changer as well. If your actions are secondarily judged by others to be "excessive force" you end up facing possible manslaughter or aggravated battery charges.

Importantly, always Remember Your Objective (Plan A'): get to where you are going with the least amount of paperwork and bloodshed. You can be mad at yourself later in the car for not being as attentive as you could have been or upset that your vehicle was lightly "mugged".....better than having your gun confiscated for evidence, while sitting in the back of a Crown Vic or in a holding cell waiting for crime scene technicians, detectives, State Attorney, subpoena witnesses (dash cam owner) and your for-hire lawyers to figure it out. In this situation, Assault & Battery (if a person in the car was struck by perp) is a misdemeanor level crime, unless severely injured or a deadly weapon was involved.....don't needlessly elevate the situation to a capital punishment event.

Both parties drove off. No criminal / civil charges, legal fees, body shop work etc. etc. IF you had a gun, you still have it for when you really might need it ! Objectives met.

Hope is not a Plan.

Take the time to learn the Laws that may affect you for the rest of your life.

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Florida Statutes.
776.012 Use or threatened use of force in defense of person.—
(1) A person is justified in using or threatening to use force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. A person who uses or threatens to use force in accordance with this subsection does not have a duty to retreat before using or threatening to use such force.
(2) A person is justified in using or threatening to use deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony. A person who uses or threatens to use deadly force in accordance with this subsection does not have a duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground if the person using or threatening to use the deadly force is not engaged in a criminal activity and is in a place where he or she has a right to be.

776.013 Home protection; use or threatened use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—
(1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using or threatening to use defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force was used or threatened was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and

776.08 Forcible felony.—“Forcible felony” means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.

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Old March 17th, 2016, 04:36 AM   #6
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Memo to OP.
Can you please use correct wording in the title of your thread ??
"To Shot or Not to Shot "......let's try Shoot.
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Awesome as always Werks! Thanks for bringing us back to sanity! It's easy to let emotional responses get the better of us in scary situations. CCW license holders will hopefully train to rise to a higher level!
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