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Old April 18th, 2017, 04:07 AM   #31
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As a rider I detest inconsiderate ignorant drivers which is 95% of cars on road.
YOU have to look out for you and them.
I wouldnt have chased um down most likely but I have whne the opportunity is there let a few know to " PAY ATTENTION".

As mentioned above if your not a rider on a regular basis you really wont get it.

And a non rider will NEVER get the skill involved in really "riding" a bike and what it takes to "control" one and how its done no latter how many ways and times you type or try to explain it.

BE SAFE BROTHERS. HEAD ON A SWIVEL ALWAYS.


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I`m with ya Laars, many times i`ve had to do dirt bike maneuvers on my harley to avoid being killed. Like you, i myself was born motocross racing, been riding over 50+yrs. My wife rides a 04 softail nightrain too, she`s an excellent rider, but has had many close calls too in the past 20yrs she`s owned her own bikes.

Last year at the opening of riding season here in NY, we lost a dear friend of ours to a MC accident. My wife an i never even got our harleys out last year, they sat in the garage all summer due to losing our good friend from a stupid ass driver that wasn`t paying attention.

And again, like you, i`ve chased a few people down... a few of them got taken out of their cars by me. I dont even have to tell you what happened once i got them out of their cars. But these days, i`m alot older... and the things i`ve learned thru the years, your gonna run out of knuckles eventually... because your out numbered by stupid people.

There are ONLY, 2 kinds of bike riders.... lucky ones, and dead ones... just a matter of time.

Ride safe my friend
Hi PaPow,
Sorry to hear about your friend. I've lost a few in the same way. My sister and brother in law who each have a bike ride maybe two or three times a year now, since having two kids. She is always worried about the kids when she is on the bike, which is not a good thing to have going through your mind while riding.
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Hi PaPow,
Sorry to hear about your friend. I've lost a few in the same way. My sister and brother in law who each have a bike ride maybe two or three times a year now, since having two kids. She is always worried about the kids when she is on the bike, which is not a good thing to have going through your mind while riding.
You sir, ARE exactly correct... she should stop riding then... sorry to say that, BUT, her focus on riding needs to be 100% on defensive riding. It takes time to think, every millisecond counts. If your mind isn`t focused, your going to die, sooner or later.

The world is against you on all aspects when you ride on 2 wheels, make or model bike does NOT make a difference, they`re deadly any way you add it up. Like i said earlier, there are 2 kinds of riders, lucky ones and dead ones. Its a choice we make when we ride. We know its dangerous but we still do it.

It wasn`t like this until all this electronic garbage got put into our hands AND in an automobile. Then take into consideration, there are way more cars on the roads today than even 20yrs ago. Now add in, that people are in such a hurry today, and they`re definitely NOT paying attention.

My wife and i are thinking about selling all of our bikes... there is just way to many stupid people out there on the roads today. Its not fun anymore when you have to ride under such stressed conditions... its just not enjoyable anymore. And my wife an i are not young either, we both know our reaction time has slowed down ALOT in recent years. Its a shame we have to give up what we love, but if we dont, one or both of us will die at the hands of some dumbass that isn`t paying attention.

Ride safe brother, please ride safe.
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You sir, ARE exactly correct... she should stop riding then... sorry to say that, BUT, her focus on riding needs to be 100% on defensive riding. It takes time to think, every millisecond counts. If your mind isn`t focused, your going to die, sooner or later.

The world is against you on all aspects when you ride on 2 wheels, make or model bike does NOT make a difference, they`re deadly any way you add it up. Like i said earlier, there are 2 kinds of riders, lucky ones and dead ones. Its a choice we make when we ride. We know its dangerous but we still do it.

It wasn`t like this until all this electronic garbage got put into our hands AND in an automobile. Then take into consideration, there are way more cars on the roads today than even 20yrs ago. Now add in, that people are in such a hurry today, and they`re definitely NOT paying attention.

My wife and i are thinking about selling all of our bikes... there is just way to many stupid people out there on the roads today. Its not fun anymore when you have to ride under such stressed conditions... its just not enjoyable anymore. And my wife an i are not young either, we both know our reaction time has slowed down ALOT in recent years. Its a shame we have to give up what we love, but if we dont, one or both of us will die at the hands of some dumbass that isn`t paying attention.

Ride safe brother, please ride safe.
Yep, its why they don't really ride anymore. My wife wishes I would stop too, but I've been riding since I was 10. I don't drink, smoke or doing other things. My only vice in life is I ride my bikes. They would have to lock me up in a nut house if I stopped riding.
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Laar`s we are brothers of different mothers... we ride, thats what we do. As much as my wife and i love riding our harleys together, we believe our time is very limited now. We`re both lucky to have survived thus far. Thats why we`re thinking its time to park the bikes and just enjoy what time we have left together... i would much rather finish life by riding, but not at the hands of stupid people.
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Call the police? And what are they gonna do? I would have no plate number, and since I didn't die, they maybe give them a moving violation for failure to yield. Big deal. What I did was put the same fear in them that they put in me, so now the next time they think about cutting a rider off, they may think twice. Sorry, unless you ride a motorcycle your not going to understand, and that's part of the problem. It's either a rider is so good, he lives, and nothing happens, or the rider is seriously injured or dies.

That's the problem. Unless the rider dies, nothing is done. And the cycle keeps repeating itself.

The " you weren't injured " is a bullshit statement". My skill level on a bike shouldn't determine the amount of negligence on that driver. I will tell you that 19 out of 20 riders would not have rode out of that avoided accident. Most would have been DOA. I raced dirt bikes as a teen, and that's why I'm still alive. That is the number one cause of death for a motorcycle rider. Car turns left in front of them.

I was entering the intersection at 20 mph, and less then 30 feet from me they turned left in front of me. Your bike can't stop. Your going to hit them. I put the bike into a slide, flat track style with my ass end of the bike to my left, to try and control the crash. As I missed them, and get the bike going straight again, another car starts to go and stops, sticking his fender 3 feet into my lane. I now have to snap the bike around and slide it the other way. Not only was it crazy to do it once, I had to do it twice. I still didn't go down. I did this with a Harley. I shouldnt even be here to be discussing this. All because of some jackass trying to take my life. That's what happened.

I can't be the only motorcyclist on this forum. I'm I still pissed? Hell yes I am. That person almost took my life because they didn't want to wait for the cars behind me. You can call it what you want, they tried to kill me, and no law would cover it unless I'm dead. I made sure that person realized what they did, and I'd do it again.
I do ride and have seen my share of the idiotic and dangerous things people do on the road. However as a CCW holder I am not going to risk a felony conviction which would also cost me my right to even own a firearm by chasing down and assaulting one those idiots just to teach him a lesson.
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Yep, its why they don't really ride anymore. My wife wishes I would stop too, but I've been riding since I was 10. I don't drink, smoke or doing other things. My only vice in life is I ride my bikes. They would have to lock me up in a nut house if I stopped riding.
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Laar`s we are brothers of different mothers... we ride, thats what we do. As much as my wife and i love riding our harleys together, we believe our time is very limited now. We`re both lucky to have survived thus far. Thats why we`re thinking its time to park the bikes and just enjoy what time we have left together... i would much rather finish life by riding, but not at the hands of stupid people.
When my son was born, I quit riding.

Thirty years later, I started again. That was about six years ago, and I don't plan on quitting again until I'm too old to lift it up off the stand.
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This is why people that don't ride have NO clue. What you don't see is, it's NH, where two weeks ago, we got a foot of snow and we still have the crap on the roads that keep ice from forming. The roads are treated, so when the snow hits it, it stays wet, and doesn't freeze. It takes a while for that to wash away. Tires felt like grease in the unusual 80 degree heat with that ice brine stuff baked into the roads.

It wasn't a power slide,( I was giving a description to people who don't ride) as I hit the brakes, the tires slid on the pavement, and I slid the back end around, then released the brakes, hit the gas to keep from high siding it, and back on the brakes. Picture trying to stop on wet grass.

As far as stopping within 15 feet, not sure they did that with a old Harley. My sport bike could stop on a dime, but it had duel disks and weighed half as much. Harley's are not high tech at all. In fact, on my sport bike, 90% of your braking is on the front. My Harley is maybe 60% 40% with 60% on the back. Think about your comment " skilled rider should be able to stop in 15 feet going 20mph." Now think about stopping a ford Escort doing 20 mph or stopping a tractor trailer truck. You think the stopping time is the same. Your dealing with speed, and weight. Sport bike weights half as much as a Harley and have twice the braking power.

Getting off the bike and getting rid of an 800lb metal monster is the wise thing to do at that point. As it was sliding, my back leg was dragging on the ground as a rudder. You hang on to that as it goes down and it will beat you to death. Show this to your brother and see what he says.
In other words you over-braked, locked up the rear, and very nearly low-sided yourself. That's completely different than what you said before. Why didn't you just say that in the first place?
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When my son was born, I quit riding.

Thirty years later, I started again. That was about six years ago, and I don't plan on quitting again until I'm too old to lift it up off the stand.
Hey you ole`coot, you got that orange triangle on the back of your bike...??? hehehehe
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Hey you ole`coot, you got that orange triangle on the back of your bike...??? hehehehe


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In other words you over-braked, locked up the rear, and very nearly low-sided yourself. That's completely different than what you said before. Why didn't you just say that in the first place?
Sure. Due to the lack of space between me and the car, I slid the bike with the tires locked up, sliding on the ice melt baked into the road for added fun(something a lot of people don't deal with unless your living in New England). I then released the brakes, hit the gas to straighten out the bike so it didn't high side, and back on the brakes, missing the first car, then did it again, going the other direction with the second car.

Gee, maybe its not the drivers fault, but actually Harleys fault because my old bike doesn't have anti lock brakes, and only has 1 small rotor, where new bikes have two big rotors. Or, better still, my fault because if I was in a car and not on a bike, he wouldn't have cut in front of me.

My apologies for not describing exactly what I did. Did you want to know about the 10 minutes I sat on the side of the road, afterwards and wanted to THROW UP, wondering if I was actually alive or I was really dead? Or the part that I didn't know if I could get back on the bike to go back to work? All this due to a jackass who didn't want to wait for the cars behind me, so he cut me off instead.

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Sure. Due to the lack of space between me and the car, I slid the bike with the tires locked up, sliding on the ice melt baked into the road for added fun(something a lot of people don't deal with unless your living in New England). I then released the brakes, hit the gas to straighten out the bike so it didn't high side, and back on the brakes, missing the first car, then did it again, going the other direction with the second car.



Gee, maybe its not the drivers fault, but actually Harleys fault because my old bike doesn't have anti lock brakes, and only has 1 small rotor, where new bikes have two big rotors. Or, better still, my fault because if I was in a car and not on a bike, he wouldn't have cut in front of me.



My apologies for not describing exactly what I did. Did you want to know about the 10 minutes I sat on the side of the road, afterwards and wanted to THROW UP, wondering if I was actually alive or I was really dead? Or the part that I didn't know if I could get back on the bike to go back to work? All this due to a jackass who didn't want to wait for the cars behind me, so he cut me off instead.


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Let it go.
He probably has never swung a leg over the saddle but his brother says you dont know how to ride. And his bro is THE CHAMPION on the bike game at the arcade.






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