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Old March 10th, 2017, 12:44 PM   #1
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If ever there was a doubt about the need to carry

Reckless highway bikers caught on video beating up motorist after trapping him on roadside

I have no doubt had that been a CCW holder in a pro 2nd Amendment state, the driver would not have ended up like the driver of that car and one or more of those hoodlums would be the ones in a meat wagon or coroner van.

A San Francisco Police Department spokeswoman told SFGate that “they’re biking up and down some stairs near some apartment complexes. We won’t chase them because it’s too dangerous.”


The bikes and ATVs are unregistered and can elude the police with impunity.

So what the police are essentially saying is "we won't do a d**n thing so the public, who pay our salaries, are on their own in the face of those hoodlums and will just have to suck it up.
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Old March 10th, 2017, 01:26 PM   #2
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Saw the vid on news.
First thought was exactly that.
Had that been me Id have taken some or all of them out.
They may get me but I will take a few along for the ride.




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Old March 10th, 2017, 03:15 PM   #3
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Also saw the video and was thinking the same. He also should have stayed in his car.
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Also saw the video and was thinking the same. He also should have stayed in his car.
Really. That car packs many more foot pounds of energy than any handgun.
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Old March 10th, 2017, 05:35 PM   #5
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Really. That car packs many more foot pounds of energy than any handgun.
Exactly... My 4x4 Silverado would certainly crush motor cycles and atv's.... I'd be running those low lives over before I'd be shooting them if I could help it.
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A car police suspect belonging to one of the criminals blocked him from the front. Also based on accounts of the incident he did not get out, he was pulled out after one of the criminals busted the side window.

He may have been able to back up but I guess being a civilized person, he was reluctant to risk running over one of the criminals. There was also the risk on getting hung up on one of the bikes after all his car has pretty low ground clearance.

No doubt the victim was terrified for his life which makes for many logical thinking very difficult if not impossible.

This is a prime example why we need to practice situational awareness even when on the road.

When I stop behind vehicles in traffic or at traffic lights, I always make sure I can see the tires of the vehicle in front of me. This insures I have enough space to drive around that vehicle if I have to.

I also keep my head on a swivel and try to never get boxed in. When possible I do not drive behind anything I cannot see ahead of. I am not only watching the vehicle in front of me but what is in front of them.

Even though I am armed in my vehicle, I would rather avoid getting into a situation than get myself in one where I now have to use lethal force. The firearm is the last resort. If the situation becomes untenable, then its me or the perpetrator and I am using every means I have to make sure I or my loved ones come out alive and uninjured.
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What makes anyone think those bikers didn't have their own guns as well? With 6 or 8 of them against 1 of you, you pull a gun and sure, maybe you get one of them, and maybe you get yourself blown away.
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That could be true, but scumbags generally don't train. For anyone with any expertise I don't think that it would have been a fair fight. Exactly what one is hoping for if one can't disengage.

That reminds me... I need to buy some bear spray.
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What makes anyone think those bikers didn't have their own guns as well? With 6 or 8 of them against 1 of you, you pull a gun and sure, maybe you get one of them, and maybe you get yourself blown away.
Pretty dumb for bikers to pick a fight with an automobile. I dont care how many bikers are out there, just not a good idea. That kind of nonsense wouldn`t be tolerated where i live, biker down, biker dead, automobile would win...end of story. I`m a biker too, you respect automobiles out there. Dont want none, dont go looking for none, you`ll live an extra day.
Its pretty obvious that these thug riders were looking to start trouble. In my neck of the woods, the outcome would be different... the thugs would get dead in a heartbeat.


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What makes anyone think those bikers didn't have their own guns as well? With 6 or 8 of them against 1 of you, you pull a gun and sure, maybe you get one of them, and maybe you get yourself blown away.
Have you ever tried to shoot a gun from a motorcycle...??? Not a smart thing to do.
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A car police suspect belonging to one of the criminals blocked him from the front. Also based on accounts of the incident he did not get out, he was pulled out after one of the criminals busted the side window.

He may have been able to back up but I guess being a civilized person, he was reluctant to risk running over one of the criminals. There was also the risk on getting hung up on one of the bikes after all his car has pretty low ground clearance.

No doubt the victim was terrified for his life which makes for many logical thinking very difficult if not impossible.

This is a prime example why we need to practice situational awareness even when on the road.

When I stop behind vehicles in traffic or at traffic lights, I always make sure I can see the tires of the vehicle in front of me. This insures I have enough space to drive around that vehicle if I have to.

I also keep my head on a swivel and try to never get boxed in. When possible I do not drive behind anything I cannot see ahead of. I am not only watching the vehicle in front of me but what is in front of them.

Even though I am armed in my vehicle, I would rather avoid getting into a situation than get myself in one where I now have to use lethal force. The firearm is the last resort. If the situation becomes untenable, then its me or the perpetrator and I am using every means I have to make sure I or my loved ones come out alive and uninjured.
ABSOLUTELY AGREE 100%
When in doubt, run their ass`s over if no other choice is an option...!
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Unbelievable!
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Old March 11th, 2017, 07:58 PM   #13
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What makes anyone think those bikers didn't have their own guns as well? With 6 or 8 of them against 1 of you, you pull a gun and sure, maybe you get one of them, and maybe you get yourself blown away.

I'll rely on my training, and doubt that many of that sort have any.

Run over as many are are readily available, and shoot the rest.
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I'll rely on my training, and doubt that many of that sort have any.

Run over as many are are readily available, and shoot the rest.
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