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Old June 29th, 2014, 11:19 AM   #1
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I was thinking giving IDPA a try here soon. It seems like a better way to train than my current... go the range and shoot paper...
I carry a 40c in an IWB holster daily and conceal it well with just a t-shirt. Any of you run this mode in IDPA? In everything thing I've seen most are wearing vests. I'd like to train like I plan to fight... in my t-shirt.
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Old June 29th, 2014, 12:12 PM   #2
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As long as all your gear is out of sight when standing with arms extended to your sides, horizontal to your shoulders, you should meet IDPA concealment rules.

Having said that, there are times when roomy vest or pants pockets come in handy, such as reload with retention maneuvers, when you need to pocket non-empty magazines on the clock.

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Old June 29th, 2014, 12:40 PM   #3
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Most guys playing the game of IDPDA are doing it as a sport, not as practice. The vest gives you cool, fast, minimal concealment for competition. You'll also see them carrying OWB under the vest, shooting 5" guns, etc.

You can surely use IDPDA as better practice than a square range and round targets, but most of the guys you'll shoot with are playing the game to win/compete, not to practice.

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Old June 29th, 2014, 01:11 PM   #4
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We practice weekly with all manner of carry pistols, and the first practice following the monthly match is always a BUG shoot.

There are quite a few folks that use their shirt as a cover garment in both the practices and matches, and most practices don't even "require" a cover garment.

There are more than a few of us that do use IDPA for carry and SD practice, and aren't gamers.
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Thanks for the feedback. I'll give it a try.
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Old July 1st, 2014, 06:59 AM   #6
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I was thinking giving IDPA a try here soon. It seems like a better way to train than my current... go the range and shoot paper...
I carry a 40c in an IWB holster daily and conceal it well with just a t-shirt. Any of you run this mode in IDPA? In everything thing I've seen most are wearing vests. I'd like to train like I plan to fight... in my t-shirt.
If you're intent is purely to get more practice in, then this is just fine.

You may find later that you want a tacticool fishing vest, tweaked out M&P Pro, and handloaded shells for your specific pistol. You will have been infected by the competition bug.

Personally I compete (badly) with the full gear most of the time, but revert about once a quarter to my carry piece (an M&Pc) and extended spare with a Hawaiian shirt.
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I've used a XXX-Large hoodie (I'm a big guy).
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If you are doing it just for practice, check out some training classes in your area. You will find it much more "real world" and affordable in most cases. Especially if you get bitten by the competition bug! I developed some really bad habits competing when I worked the street as a police officer and stopped completely for that reason. Nothing wrong with competing, but in many cases it doesn't translate well to the real world. The stress factor doesn't compare and speed is relative to the situation and tactics needed.
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Old December 27th, 2014, 08:45 PM   #9
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IDPA is a game, not tactical training, although there are overlapping skills, and competing on the clock adds a modicum of stress. Police tactics are different from civilian tactics, and in the latter, speed can matter a great deal. The most realistic training I've received is scenario based, force-on-force training using Simunition FX ammo. I still shoot IDPA for fun and keeping my basic skills sharp.
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IDPA is a game invented by one of the great IPSC shooters of the day, Bill Wilson. It has lots of rules, is scored and timed. It is not training or tactics. However it is a place where you can run your carry gun for practice and maintain your skill set. You do not need a photographers vest to play either. Tee shirts or Hawaiians are just fine. You won’t score as low running an IWB and compact gun as the guys running a full size from an OWB with a Mylar laminated vest, but then it sounds like you are not there for that. If you want training, go to GunSite, or other reputable gun fighting school.

OP, I used to live in Joliet, but it got to cold for me.
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OK. I plead guilty to getting the bug. I started shooting IDPA with my 9mm Shield so I could get some range time in with my new carry piece and also get some action/tactical shooting in instead of plunking holes in paper.

Now 4 months later and I am going to outfit a full size M&P 9mm and go for kicking some butt. I am tired of the limitations of the Shield in the CCP division and I am ready to move to SSP.
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OK. I plead guilty to getting the bug. I started shooting IDPA with my 9mm Shield so I could get some range time in with my new carry piece and also get some action/tactical shooting in instead of plunking holes in paper.

Now 4 months later and I am going to outfit a full size M&P 9mm and go for kicking some butt. I am tired of the limitations of the Shield in the CCP division and I am ready to move to SSP.
Just curious whats the limitation of a shield in ccp?
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Just curious whats the limitation of a shield in ccp?
CCP division capacity for loading is 8 + 1 so the Shield is fine in that area when compared against other CCP entries and CDP entries.

The primary disadvantage is the 3.1" barrel. CCP allows up to a 4.1" barrel in. That extra 1" makes a huge difference when you are shooting targets at longer distances. The last two matches I have shot both had stages with targets at 30 to 35 yards. With the reduced sight radius and short barrel if you don't watch out it is very easy to be down 6 or more on each of those targets and also get an FTN.

Last match had steel targets at 30 or so yards. I had to take some extra shots to knock them down. At the end of the stage I had ran out of ammo (my bad) and was able to engage the last target with only 1 shot instead of 2 (due to running out). This caused me to get a Procedural error. The string in the stage was designed to require a minimum of 18 shots. The most ammo I can carry is 25 (3 x 8 plus one in the chamber). If I was in SSP with a magazine capacity of 10 I would not have run out of ammo and saved myself a procedural error.

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Go for it, you will love it!
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CCP division capacity for loading is 8 + 1 so the Shield is fine in that area when compared against other CCP entries and CDP entries.

The primary disadvantage is the 3.1" barrel. CCP allows up to a 4.1" barrel in. That extra 1" makes a huge difference when you are shooting targets at longer distances. The last two matches I have shot both had stages with targets at 30 to 35 yards. With the reduced sight radius and short barrel if you don't watch out it is very easy to be down 6 or more on each of those targets and also get an FTN.

Last match had steel targets at 30 or so yards. I had to take some extra shots to knock them down. At the end of the stage I had ran out of ammo (my bad) and was able to engage the last target with only 1 shot instead of 2 (due to running out). This caused me to get a Procedural error. The string in the stage was designed to require a minimum of 18 shots. The most ammo I can carry is 25 (3 x 8 plus one in the chamber). If I was in SSP with a magazine capacity of 10 I would not have run out of ammo and saved myself a procedural error.
I notice you are Boston/mass area... Where do you compete locally and find matches?
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