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Old June 16th, 2011, 08:14 PM   #1
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I was recently extremely suprised to see 2 members of the SEAL's, and 2 members of Isriali Massad, give several demonstrations on a TV show. What suprised me the most, was that the Massad Commando's knife of choice of tactical knife was the Kratex Handled KA-BAR. One of the most elite commando forces in the world uses the KA-BAR? I haven't even seen one of these in years, except a couple of the old leather handled models, and a few new leather handled "commemorative" models.



Is this knife really that good? I traded an expensive Benchmade and some cash for a weapon, and now am looking to replace it. The price tag on the Kraytex (spell?) handled KA-BAR with plastic sheath is about 60 dollars, vs. about $175.00 for a BenchMade.



Is this knife really that good? I am also seeing that the Glock "survival" knife goes, for 30 bucks or so.

Any experience with this knife? I'm aware that you get what you pay for, but sometimes you over pay for what you get. Would anyone like to comment on the quality of these knives?



Please, no one or two word comments. Speak from experience. Any help would be greatly appreciated.



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Old June 17th, 2011, 05:31 AM   #2
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Is this the KA-BAR in question?



In the knife industry it's about two things. Name recognition and military credentials. JK



It's really all about the steel. And, more importantly the way the steel is heat treated and worked. Does the design and grind fully utilize the properties of the chosen steel? Do you wand a tough blade or a surgically precise edge? Here is a great resource about knife steel and the pros and cons of the various grades of carbon and stainless steels.



KA-BAR has been around a long time. Their combat/utility knives have a long and rich history of duty and durability. Are today's KA-BARs the same knives that got their reputation as the issue favorite of the Marines? I haven't done the research to make that call. Their Becker line is getting good reviews. I've had several KA-BARs in the past, mostly the traditional leather handled military issue utility style. My only K-B now is a TDI and it is great little knife for the money, though it is made in Taiwan. The duty knife that I linked to above looks to be a quality knife made from a dependable/durable if not high end "designer" steel. American made(knife not sheath) and a fair MSRP. I personally would shell out a few more $ for a full tang handle like the Becker Combat Utility or Benchmade Nimravus as the bolt style handles have been known to break with hard use. My fixed blade of choice (today) is the Nimravus. I would love to have a Busse or Scrapyard but the budget just isn't there for them.



In the end it really depends on what the intended use is going to be.
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Is this the KA-BAR in question?



In the knife industry it's about two things. Name recognition and military credentials. JK



It's really all about the steel. And, more importantly the way the steel is heat treated and worked. Does the design and grind fully utilize the properties of the chosen steel? Do you wand a tough blade or a surgically precise edge? Here is a great resource about knife steel and the pros and cons of the various grades of carbon and stainless steels.



KA-BAR has been around a long time. Their combat/utility knives have a long and rich history of duty and durability. Are today's KA-BARs the same knives that got their reputation as the issue favorite of the Marines? I haven't done the research to make that call. Their Becker line is getting good reviews. I've had several KA-BARs in the past, mostly the traditional leather handled military issue utility style. My only K-B now is a TDI and it is great little knife for the money, though it is made in Taiwan. The duty knife that I linked to above looks to be a quality knife made from a dependable/durable if not high end "designer" steel. American made(knife not sheath) and a fair MSRP. I personally would shell out a few more $ for a full tang handle like the Becker Combat Utility or Benchmade Nimravus as the bolt style handles have been known to break with hard use. My fixed blade of choice (today) is the Nimravus. I would love to have a Busse or Scrapyard but the budget just isn't there for them.



In the end it really depends on what the intended use is going to be.
Thanks for the reply. The model I'm looking at has the synthetic grip, and appears to be the same knife.

The model I was looking at does have a full tang. In the video's posted on you tube, that is pointed out.

Just as the origionals did. They are also American made, or at least the model I was looking at was. The thing that totally blew me away, is that, the military model, is the preferred combat/carry knife of the Massad. My thought was "wow" if it was good enough for one of the argualbly best commando units in the world, it should serve me well as a camping/survival knife, along with carrying a Leatherman Wave, for more utility. On KA-Bars site they are listed at about $90 bucks, but can be had on the market for about $60.00 plus S&H. I've owned at least 2 knives that go for about 3X that amount. Both Benchmade. But I threw my last one in on a trade with cash for a gun. I also found that the Benchmade was a royal PITA to sharpen, if you let it get to that point where it needs more than a touch up.



Most importantly, I make no pretense in being any kind of an expert on knives. But I thought if I posted this, there are probably several folks on this forum that are. Based on all of this, should I just pop for a more expensive knife, or, for my puropose's, should I just save the money and go with this one.



Maybe this clarifies my needs more. Am torn between spending big $$$, or going with a knife that's good enough for the Massad at around 70 total.



Anything else you could provide in helping me with this decision, feel free to reply away. Be assured your opinion(s) are respected and appreciated.



J.

P.S. I will also be checking out your recommendations. Thanks.
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I can't add any real knowledge to the subject but I've always heard and been told that Ka-Bars are great knives.
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Please, no one or two word comments. Speak from experience. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


IMO you can never spend too much for a quality fixed blade knife, especially if you plan on keeping it!



I like the Benchmade 154CW and it has a great kydex sheath with a locking thumb drive and it can be mounted with the Safariland ELS quick connect system to body vests, belt receiver plates etc. I keep this one attached to my AlphaCase soft pack. The Chris Reeves Green Beret is included in the level one hard AlphaCase kits.



The Chris Reeves are pricey but custom fabricated.



For similar money to the the Benchmade, the H&K tactical is a good choice (I believe it is made by Benchmade for HK).



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IMO you can never spend too much for a quality fixed blade knife, especially if you plan on keeping it!



I like the Benchmade 154CW and it has a great kydex sheath with a locking thumb drive and it can be mounted with the Safariland ELS quick connect system to body vests, belt receiver plates etc. I keep this one attached to my AlphaCase soft pack. The Chris Reeves Green Beret is included in the level one hard AlphaCase kits.



The Chris Reeves are pricey but custom fabricated.



For similar money to the the Benchmade, the H&K tactical is a good choice (I believe it is made by Benchmade for HK).



Some examples attached in the company of M&P hardware.


Thanks for the reply and info. I'll look into these, for sure. Even though I'm no expert when it comes to knives,

I've owned Benchmark before. Never really put them through their paces, as far as absolute hard use. My only problem with them is that if you don't touch them up on a regualar basis, which I'm guilty of, they are hard as hell to re-sharpen. (My fault). Runny thing, BenchMade has a free lifetime sharpening offer. Just send it back and they'll re-sharpen them for free. Makes me think that more than one person is as guilty as I am, for not keeping them honed perfectly, all of the time....LOL...



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Their choice doesn't surprise me. A Ka-Bar helped me get thru Vietnam. There are a lot of other very fine products available today, but if I were going back, a Ka-Bar would go with me.
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If your not buying a KABAR, then your wasting money.
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Thanks for the reply and info. I'll look into these, for sure. Even though I'm no expert when it comes to knives,

I've owned Benchmark before. Never really put them through their paces, as far as absolute hard use. My only problem with them is that if you don't touch them up on a regualar basis, which I'm guilty of, they are hard as hell to re-sharpen. (My fault). Runny thing, BenchMade has a free lifetime sharpening offer. Just send it back and they'll re-sharpen them for free. Makes me think that more than one person is as guilty as I am, for not keeping them honed perfectly, all of the time....LOL...



Thanks,

J.

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All of the "newer" steels are like that.

If you'll get a diamond hone, rather than a traditional Arkansas stone; you'll find them much easier to sharpen.

My favorite mid-size fixed blade is the ZT M-100, which I've had for several years. It's the fixed blade in this pic:



ZT makes a hell of a stout knife for the $$.

My all time favorite is the Covington Forged fighting Bowie that Greg made and carried himself for several years.

It's in devils lace damascus:



I carry both (not together) IWB on the weak side, edge forward, and use a Cav draw to present the blade.
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