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Old April 21st, 2009, 06:59 AM   #16
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Originally Posted by LordRahl' post='187552' date='Feb 7 2009, 09:23 PM
It could be as simple as he thinks that his favorite weapon is superior to anything else. To fuel his own sense of superiority. instead of just saying he thinks Glock, Springfield etc. is better, he gives you grief over a trigger mechanism banking on you not really understanding what it is.



Guy sounds like a legend in his own mind.


That has been my experience with all range officers on the Dept where I worked.

It is just prejudice.
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I have been dealing with this all week from our rangemaster. He is eating his words now that my MP 45 has out preformed all the Glocks (9mils) on the range. I have decided to just smile, go shot, and let the gun's performance do my talking.
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When I had Greg Derr do the trigger job on my MnP 9, I specifically asked him to make the reset as much like a Glock as he could. Its the one thing I really dislike about the MnP that I would change if I could: the trigger is way too much "BHP" and not nearly enough "Glock or 1911".



Does the rangemaster/armorer work at a gun shop on the weekends, too? From what little we have to go spin off on out of control tangents with, he sounds like he thinks he knows a lot more than he does.



Helpful hint: when making fun of gun shop employees, be sure to remember that the counter has two sides.
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I have a M&P 40c, for off-duty concealed carry. (I'm thinking about adding it as a back up on duty too.)



Each time I take it in for qualification, the Rangemaster (a Senior Deputy) complains, whines, or even gives me grief. His biggest complaint is an alleged trigger mechanism that concerns him.


Ask him how the M&Ps trigger differs from a S&W DA/SA revolver.
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More internet rumors, WooHooo! So the M&P is just a Glock copy? Let's see: polymer frame, black slide, wiggly trigger thingy, clip in the handle, barrel pointed forward... Hey you're right, it is a Glock!



Wait, you're not a real doctor, are you?


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Old August 20th, 2009, 02:28 PM   #21
 
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When you pull the trigger and it goes boom, what else is there to be concerned about? If it goes boom when you don't pull the trigger, he would have a concern. Until then, tell him to concern himself with the satety at the range.
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Old March 8th, 2011, 09:11 AM   #22
 
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Thank you all for your input on this issue. It's now been quite a while that I've been successfully qualifying with my M&P40c. Since I was the first to introduce an M&P to my department, many more have appeared. The M&P is approved for off duty, and now even on duty carry.



I'm hoping to pick up an M&P 9 Pro in the next month or so, to replace our issued H&K USP.
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Old March 8th, 2011, 01:39 PM   #23
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Originally Posted by trevorcarpenter' post='172319' date='Nov 17 2008, 12:09 AM
I have a M&P 40c, for off-duty concealed carry. (I'm thinking about adding it as a back up on duty too.)



Each time I take it in for qualification, the Rangemaster (a Senior Deputy) complains, whines, or even gives me grief. His biggest complaint is an alleged trigger mechanism that concerns him.



Now, I'm not too knowledgeable about these things. But, when I've disassembled it, he picks up the grip portion and seems to gaze at the trigger linkage.



My question is this...

Does he have any merit to his concern? Is this a typical design for similar linkages on other polymer-based autos?



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It sounds like your rangemaster only likes one brand of handguns. In my 20 + years as a LEO we have issued 4 handguns in my PD. My first was a S&W model 65, we then went to the S&W 4046 in 1991, then the SW-99 in 2005, and now the M&P 40 in 2008. We issue both the FS and Compact. We did extensive research and testing before going to it. It is a great pistol. We have not had any AD's occur unless the trigger was pulled. It sounds like your rangemaster may have some bad info picked up by nasty rummors.



It sounds like you have had no issues with the weapon mechanically malfunctioning during qualifications. Are you the only one in your agency that carries this weapon, or have others started to carry it as an OD/BU weapon?



On a side note, before we started issuing the M&P a good majority of our 1700+ officers were carrying the Glock as a BU/OD weapon. since then a lot have started carrying the M&P compact as well as the 442 or Kahr Arms.



Good luck and stay safe.



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Hey Trevor,



I know this post is old but just curious to see how this all worked out for you?



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Hey Trevor,



I know this post is old but just curious to see how this all worked out for you?



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(look two posts above yours)
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It sounds like you have had no issues with the weapon mechanically malfunctioning during qualifications. Are you the only one in your agency that carries this weapon, or have others started to carry it as an OD/BU weapon?


My first problem wasn't until after I'd put over 2000 rounds through it. I was at Front Sight, in Nevada, when I had the first issue. It was bad ammo (some of those crappy Blazer rounds can get squished.) One round fed poorly, and jammed up the ramp. First and only problem in about 3500 rounds.



I've began to see more and more people optioning the M&P as an off duty carry. I'm not sure if anyone is carrying it as a duty weapon. However, I'm getting ready to pick up an M&P 9Pro, and intend to carry it on duty.



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I know this post is old but just curious to see how this all worked out for you?


I answered some of it above. It's worked out well. I think the rangemaster eventually came around. Additionally, I've had the opportunity to convince 3 others to get themselves M&P's. The XD is popular in my division, and a lot of folks picked them up with almost zero knowledge of the handgun. Two of those have dumped their XDs for M&Ps since.
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Old April 22nd, 2011, 10:02 PM   #27
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I've began to see more and more people optioning the M&P as an off duty carry. I'm not sure if anyone is carrying it as a duty weapon. However, I'm getting ready to pick up an M&P 9Pro, and intend to carry it on duty.



I answered some of it above. It's worked out well. I think the rangemaster eventually came around. Additionally, I've had the opportunity to convince 3 others to get themselves M&P's. The XD is popular in my division, and a lot of folks picked them up with almost zero knowledge of the handgun. Two of those have dumped their XDs for M&Ps since.


I just sold my XDM 9 a few days ago and plan on buying a M&P9L, or the Pro. The M&P feels much more natural and I place better shots. I do still like the XDM, just like the M&P better, also willing to spend money on Apex parts. While I wasn't willing to spend any money on the G23 or XDM I had earlier. Also like that it's made in the USA.
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I would wonder if he was thinking of some of the issues that the LA County Sheriffs had. I have not head of any other issues with the M&P triggers. Ask him to explain his reasoning and to show you the paperwork/ story he may have read.
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