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Getting grief from my department rangemaster/armorer...

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Old November 16th, 2008, 08:09 PM   #1
 
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I have a M&P 40c, for off-duty concealed carry. (I'm thinking about adding it as a back up on duty too.)



Each time I take it in for qualification, the Rangemaster (a Senior Deputy) complains, whines, or even gives me grief. His biggest complaint is an alleged trigger mechanism that concerns him.



Now, I'm not too knowledgeable about these things. But, when I've disassembled it, he picks up the grip portion and seems to gaze at the trigger linkage.



My question is this...

Does he have any merit to his concern? Is this a typical design for similar linkages on other polymer-based autos?



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Old November 16th, 2008, 08:12 PM   #2
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Without knowing what his complaint is, it's impossible to say but there are plenty of major LE agencies that have adopted the M&P without problem. Is your department armorer actually a trained Smith & Wesson M&P certified armorer?
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Old November 16th, 2008, 11:27 PM   #3
 
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We've had our "B" series M&Ps in service since early 2006 without incident and we shoot the snot out of them (not like Todd does, but more than the average PD). As ToddG says, without his making a specific concern known, all you can do is point to all those agencies that have adopted the weapon.



I expect that he complained when your agency converted to autoloaders/present service pistol. You might check on this if you can do it without it getting back to him. Depending upon the answer, maybe letting it get back to him would shut him up.
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Well, the first question is what doesn't he whine about?



On top of that, if you indeed qualified with it, I'd say it is just someone who likes to whine whining.
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Old November 17th, 2008, 10:04 AM   #5
 
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MP Full .40 for duty....MP .40C off duty for us ....so, wasup with that rangmaster.....
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Old November 17th, 2008, 10:29 AM   #6
 
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Thanks guys. I too don't know much more than his subjective reaction to the linkage of the trigger, inside the action. I honestly think some of it has to do with it being a newer firearm, and his own naivete surrounding it.



Thanks for the reminders that many agencies are issuing them. That should help me next time.



Oh, and I indeed did qualify with it. I do much better with my own compact than I do with the issued HK USP. He, he, he.



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Thanks guys. I too don't know much more than his subjective reaction to the linkage of the trigger, inside the action. I honestly think some of it has to do with it being a newer firearm, and his own naivete surrounding it.



Thanks for the reminders that many agencies are issuing them. That should help me next time.



Oh, and I indeed did qualify with it. I do much better with my own compact than I do with the issued HK USP. He, he, he.



Thanks!




Tell him to call me up if he has any questions or concerns and wants to talk to a certified M&P armorer.

405-833-1340.



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Old December 24th, 2008, 11:10 AM   #8
 
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Tell him to call me up if he has any questions or concerns and wants to talk to a certified M&P armorer.

405-833-1340.



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Old December 26th, 2008, 01:42 PM   #9
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Why not add another to the list. Both S&W certified and Ohio Peace Officer Training Commission certified.



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the trigger set up is a copy of the glock. two of the engineers left glock and went to work at smith and wesson. if you compare the schematics of the glock and the m&p, you will see how similar they are. he has no merit about the trigger. however, a lot of range masters do not like the way the safety is designed with the trigger. personally, i love it. we are going to change over from the sigarms to the m&p45. my off duty weapon is the subcompact glock30 (45cal). good luck in trying to change his attitude.
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the trigger set up is a copy of the glock. two of the engineers left glock and went to work at smith and wesson. if you compare the schematics of the glock and the m&p, you will see how similar they are.
More internet rumors, WooHooo! So the M&P is just a Glock copy? Let's see: polymer frame, black slide, wiggly trigger thingy, clip in the handle, barrel pointed forward... Hey you're right, it is a Glock!



Wait, you're not a real doctor, are you?
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apparently, they brought over their glock patents, too.

wait; -are we talking about the sigma??
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Old February 7th, 2009, 05:23 PM   #13
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It could be as simple as he thinks that his favorite weapon is superior to anything else. To fuel his own sense of superiority. instead of just saying he thinks Glock, Springfield etc. is better, he gives you grief over a trigger mechanism banking on you not really understanding what it is.



Guy sounds like a legend in his own mind.
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Originally Posted by drmac' post='187532' date='Feb 7 2009, 06:11 PM
the trigger set up is a copy of the glock...
Since when?

Maybe you should enlighten us about this change.
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Originally Posted by drmac' post='187532' date='Feb 7 2009, 07:11 PM
the trigger set up is a copy of the glock.


That's demonstrably untrue. In fact, the two mechanisms are more different than alike. They work in a similar fashion, but the actual mechanical goings-on inside the frame are very different. The amount of pre-tension on the striker, the location of the trigger return spring, the sear ... all very different.
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