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This is a discussion on Lock and Load when on Duty? within the Law Enforcement forums, part of the Armory category; we use the M&P45. ALWAY keep on in the chamber and the clips fully loaded while on duty...


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Old July 17th, 2009, 07:32 AM   #16
 
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we use the M&P45. ALWAY keep on in the chamber and the clips fully loaded while on duty
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Old July 17th, 2009, 01:13 PM   #17
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we use the M&P45. ALWAY keep on in the chamber and the clips fully loaded while on duty


clips?
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Old July 18th, 2009, 02:18 AM   #18
 
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why wouldn't you?
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Old November 25th, 2009, 03:18 PM   #19
 
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Unless dry-firing or cleaning, the handguns are always loaded. Before putting them into their respective holsters, I press-check each one to ensure there is a round in the chamber.
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Old November 25th, 2009, 05:27 PM   #20
 
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Always one in the chamber and a full mag in the gun. And a Ruger LCP 380 in my left pocket thats ready to go as well.
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Old December 4th, 2009, 12:58 PM   #21
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Same as G-manBart. Always loaded, and we shoot our duty ammo that we have been carrying for a year for qual, and then issue new duty ammo.
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Old January 27th, 2010, 09:19 PM   #22
 
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A couple of my marine buddies told me that they are trained to carry their side arm without one in the chamber. they said it was really dumb as far as they were concerned, but they got real good at racking the slide.
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Old February 19th, 2010, 06:14 PM   #23
 
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Do you believe in Murphy? Want the STHTF? All you have to do is make sure you or your equipment isn't ready to go. Correct mindset, Be courteous, be professional, be ready to kill everyone. Gear, round in the chamber, mag topped off (safety on/off your choice) and spare mags.
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Old February 20th, 2010, 12:05 AM   #24
 
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Only those crazy Israelis carry with empty chambers by choice. That made some sense back in the old days of the founding of that country, when they were buying guns from anybody that would sell them to the country. Having a wide variety of arms that a single technique would work with made training universal. They don't have that problem anymore, and yet they still use the same wacky technique. Larry Vickers was quoted as saying words to the effect of "Americans killed more people in Detroit last year than they did in all of Israel."



Don't carry with an empty chamber. It's felony stupid.
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Old February 20th, 2010, 05:04 AM   #25
 
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Well ... looks like we aswered that question without any argument .....



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Old February 28th, 2010, 02:24 PM   #26
 
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I believe the military had the unchambered rule because they used the 1911's that were not drop safe and had a decent amount of ADs as a result. While I am not a LE, I have 3 family members who are and all of them carry one chambered.



I can tell you this there is absolutely no way in heck I would walk up on a car I just pulled over without a round in the chamber. Someone decides to shoot a cop, they are already at a disadvantage as the BG already knows what is going to happen and many times the nearest backup is miles away. No reason to add an unchambered round to the disadvantage.
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Old February 28th, 2010, 03:57 PM   #27
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My Chief gives me my one bullet at the beginning of the shift and I keep it in my pocket.


I have seen this documented on a TV show...



What's neat is that nowadays it is very common to see local LEO's with 1911's cocked and locked with 4+ spare mags on the belt. In the past this would have been a political no no.
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Old February 28th, 2010, 06:54 PM   #28
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I'm not LEO but I have taken Tactical and Defensive Handgun training and not having one in the chamber is a bad idea. Statistically, if you're involved in an incident where you discharge rounds from your handgun at a target, that target will be within 21ft or less. Within that 21ft the most common distance, statistically speaking, is 9ft. I've done work with charging targets where you must have your gun holstered and concealed with your jacket covering it like you would during daily concealed carry. You're only allowed to draw and fire on that target once it starts charging at you. Oh ya, the target starts 21ft away from you. If you are questioning whether to keep one in the chamber, try that drill, it will answer all your questions after the first time you try it. A clunky wooden and metal target on old lawnmower wheels covers 21ft pretty pretty quick, I can't imagine a 23 year old male high on angel dust. If you have any sort of delay in drawing your holstered weapon, like not being able to get your coat out of the way or whatever, you better be reaching for your blade with your other hand because your about to be screwed. I have very quick reaction times and my personal best is about 8 feet, meaning the charging target was 8ft away frome me before I discharged my FIRST round. Becuase I was taught to always keep one in the chamber I've never tried that drill with having to rack the slide in the process but I'd have to imagine it wouldn't help my time very much...



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Old June 13th, 2010, 06:53 AM   #29
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That seems very odd to me. My duty pistol espcially is always chambered and loaded.
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Old May 26th, 2011, 03:01 AM   #30
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I'm not LEO but I have taken Tactical and Defensive Handgun training and not having one in the chamber is a bad idea. Statistically, if you're involved in an incident where you discharge rounds from your handgun at a target, that target will be within 21ft or less. Within that 21ft the most common distance, statistically speaking, is 9ft. I've done work with charging targets where you must have your gun holstered and concealed with your jacket covering it like you would during daily concealed carry. You're only allowed to draw and fire on that target once it starts charging at you. Oh ya, the target starts 21ft away from you. If you are questioning whether to keep one in the chamber, try that drill, it will answer all your questions after the first time you try it. A clunky wooden and metal target on old lawnmower wheels covers 21ft pretty pretty quick, I can't imagine a 23 year old male high on angel dust. If you have any sort of delay in drawing your holstered weapon, like not being able to get your coat out of the way or whatever, you better be reaching for your blade with your other hand because your about to be screwed. I have very quick reaction times and my personal best is about 8 feet, meaning the charging target was 8ft away frome me before I discharged my FIRST round. Becuase I was taught to always keep one in the chamber I've never tried that drill with having to rack the slide in the process but I'd have to imagine it wouldn't help my time very much...



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Agreed. What you mentioned is similar to what the academy teaches. The 21ft rule. I heard they extended it to 25 a while back but I can't confirm this. Nevertheless, the purpose of the 21ft safety margin is this: This is the MINIMAM distance a motivated person with a edged weapon can get to you before you are good to engage him. Meaning that if a, to use your 23 year old tweaker male as example...If he charged you with a blade from 21ft., that is the mimimal distance that you can draw your firearm and fire before you holster his knife in your neck.



So, always carry one in the chamber and use a holster you can get in a physical fight in without losing your gun.
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