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Old June 29th, 2009, 11:59 PM   #1
 
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I'm wait listed for the academy for next fall(2010), unless I can get an agency to sponsor me for an earlier class, in the meantime, the range master suggested that in addition to keeping in peak physical shape, that I train with my weapon using duty gear.



I'm already using a safariland 6280, but am unsure as to what to use for my magazines, do any agencies authorize the use of open top mag pouches?(like the safariland 73/75) If not, what are you guys that are carrying the M&P using?
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Old June 30th, 2009, 03:31 AM   #2
 
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Training is grossly different from practice. Practice without good prior training just reinforces bad or inefficient procedures.



If you want to gain skills with this (or any other pistol) you'll need professional, multiple day instruction from good teachers. I'd take that training with a good Bladetech holster and whatever kydex magazine pouches you can find for now. Specific training with a "duty" holster should wait until you have the basics down. Some agencies use thumb break holsters, for example, but you'll degrade your initial training diddling with one.



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Old June 30th, 2009, 04:23 AM   #3
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That's right, start your training with a non-duty type holster so you have to start all over again and re-learn everything from scratch later. When you do get to the academy you will be futilely jerking on the pistol trying to draw it from a level 3 holster without releasing the retention devices because that is the way you learned with the kydex holster.



Few agencies will allow open top mag carriers.



Yes, do get some instruction from a qualified instructor on the basics of how to draw and present. Then spend time in front of a mirrror (WITH AN EMPTY GUN) practicing those techniques. Not only will this build muscle memory it will help to break in your holster. With the mirror you can see if you are doing it wrong and crossing any part of you with the muzzle of the pistol as you draw.



Talk to the range master. He will have seen the types of gear the local agencies use and will steer you in the right direction.



Sooner or later you will have a box full of different duty gear stored away that you have tried before you finally get your belt just the way you want it.
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Old June 30th, 2009, 11:33 PM   #4
 
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I've been training with these guys: http://www.civilianarmstraining.com/



I'm about ready to take the Level 2 defensive tactical handgun a second time(they recomend taking each course twice), and up until now I've been taking their courses with the rental glocks and serpa holsters.



Beginning at level 3 they(level 2 if this is your second time through it) the instructors allow students to use drop-rigs and or thumb-break style holsters, and as I'm a big fan of training the way you carry I was considering replacing my own serpa(which I've been practicing my draw/dry firing with religiously) with a duty style holster.



As far as what the academy rangemaster recomends, he had no specifc recomendations on the mag holsters for use at the academy, but strongly recomended safariland holsters(the 6280 and I believe 6360(is this correct) were the two he mentioned specifically).
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Old July 1st, 2009, 06:36 AM   #5
 
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Originally Posted by gbackus' post='215147' date='Jul 1 2009, 08:33 AM
As far as what the academy rangemaster recomends, he had no specifc recomendations on the mag holsters for use at the academy, but strongly recomended safariland holsters(the 6280 and I believe 6360(is this correct) were the two he mentioned specifically).
If that's what the academy suggests, go with it. You'll find the hood release puts your hand in a good position-for most folks-to grip the pistol, but it's subtlely different than you'll generally get with concealment holsters/serpa. You need to get used to that. I personally found I needed to make a slight adjustment of trigger finger placement on the trigger and drill till that became habit. The 6280 in STX finish (looks like nylon) is quite reasonable in price if you're getting LE discount or shop right.



Uncle Mikes makes a decent duty type pouch at a reasonable price. It'll do to start with. You may get different suggestions as to placement. I'll suggest strong side horizontal with the magazines going in bullets up. This allows your hand to access the magazines with a natural motion, with either hand and to slide your hand up under a zipped jacket for easy access/removal.
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Old July 2nd, 2009, 05:43 AM   #6
 
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Want to be a pilot? You don't take your first flying lessons in a jet fighter. Get your basic skills in a Cessna 152 and move on from there. Handguns are no different. Crawl, walk, run. Everyone wants to run long before they're ready.



Take introductory courses with a belt holster like the Bladetech. The only thing you'll have to "relearn" is the specific techniques required for whatever "duty holster" you're required to use. These skills are unique to every different type. The shooting skills are the hard skills, but one most folks don't think they need to be trained in. Major mistake. Complicating training with a guessed-at duty holster wastes training time. But it's your time (and money!).



Hint: If you're using the slide stop as a slide release you're either (1) an incredibly gifted and skilled shooter, or (2) you need training.



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Old July 2nd, 2009, 06:10 AM   #7
 
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Originally Posted by chuck s' post='215280' date='Jul 2 2009, 01:43 PM
Hint: If you're using the slide stop as a slide release you're either (1) an incredibly gifted and skilled shooter, or (2) you need training.



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There's considerable debate on this subject. see other threads.
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Old July 2nd, 2009, 10:14 AM   #8
 
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Originally Posted by chuck s' post='215280' date='Jul 2 2009, 06:43 AM
Hint: If you're using the slide stop as a slide release you're either (1) an incredibly gifted and skilled shooter, or (2) you need training.



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Slide stop? What slide stop? I just jam my M&P mag in to release the slide
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Old July 2nd, 2009, 02:16 PM   #9
 
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Yeah, it's not like the slide stop lever is right under my thumb already. Oh, wait! It is! I always knew I was gifted, since I had to move my thumb all that way.



That whole "gross motor skill" bullshit was disproved quite a while ago. If you wanna run the slide, then go ahead. You'll be a full quarter second or more slower. Anything below the wrist is a fine motor skill...like pressing the trigger. If you can press the trigger but can't push your thumb down on a lever that's serrated on top for that very purpose, then you may need to reevaluate owning a gun. You may not be up to the task.
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Old July 3rd, 2009, 11:07 AM   #10
 
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Can you use open top magazine pouches in uniform on patrol? Yup, a whole lot of agencies do - though, sadly, uniformity can take precedence over practicality. Leather (5 years) or nylon (14 yrs), they're all I've used during my career.



If you are waiting for an academy date, focus your range time on the fundamentals - stance, grip, the mechanics of the presentation (draw) rather than the mechanics of a thumb break, sight alignment / picture and trigger manipulation. For that practice an open top holster and magazine pouches are fine.



Until I my mid size M&P .45 shows up and I completely switch to the platform, I'll keep using the over the top of the slide method ... however, I'm a lefty so its just easier.
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Old July 5th, 2009, 04:08 AM   #11
 
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Theoretically saving youself a fraction of a second on a speed reload you may go your entire career without needing is a choice you may make-regulations permitting. However, you can bet your paycheck on lousy weather, chases and scuffles. Losing mags in chases and scuffles is a pain and may become more than that. Increased maintenance 'cause your equipment was out in the rain all night may also become more than that.



Hopefully, you won't be like a traffic cop I knew who, upon retirement, had to have his revolver soaked in solvent for a week to be able to unload it.
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Theoretically saving youself a fraction of a second on a speed reload you may go your entire career without needing is a choice you may make-regulations permitting. However, you can bet your paycheck on lousy weather, chases and scuffles. Losing mags in chases and scuffles is a pain and may become more than that. Increased maintenance 'cause your equipment was out in the rain all night may also become more than that.



Hopefully, you won't be like a traffic cop I knew who, upon retirement, had to have his revolver soaked in solvent for a week to be able to unload it.


Couldn't agree more; I use a covered mag pouch not because is faster/slower, but because it's secure. I carry my mags in a Don Hume mag pouch (not mandatory, but 90% have em, so might as well look uniform), and with practice, I'm not much slower with that than with my open tops.
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