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Old July 17th, 2009, 05:49 PM   #1
 
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I got to spend the morning today with Mark Dix from S&W.(nice guy buy the way) My agency is considering the M&P 45 with the manual safety and no mag disconnect. I am looking for feedback from guys using this gun for duty. I'd love to hear about your training experiences(good and bad) with it, opinions from large stature and petite folks on fit, and lastly your agencies experiences on qualification scores from your last handgun to the M&P. Thanks yall!
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Old July 17th, 2009, 07:03 PM   #2
 
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Hartford Ct carries M&P45 with the thumb safety. I am not sure if theirs have the Mag safety or not. Give them a call
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Old December 22nd, 2009, 03:15 PM   #3
 
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Mine is a personally owned, agency approved full sized without the manual or magazine safety. It has had around 14-1500 rounds thru it at present and has never had a malfunction. Had to send it back to S&W due to a rolled pin walking its way out during the summer, but the gun came back in a week. Even with that issue, I repeat the gun has never jammed. I've only fired three loads thru it - Winchester 230 ball, Federal 230 Hydra Shok, and Remington 230 Golden Saber. All are accurate, although I think the GS shoots tighter groups thru my gun. I carry the gun in plain clothes, and the only complaint I've had that way was with the extended beaver tail jamming me in the ribs when seated in a car. I use a Blackhawk Serpa. I adjusted it to ride a bit higher on my belt, and that seems to have cured that problem. I like the grip on this gun, but I also like the fact that the trigger face is smooth. I won't wear a blister on my finger after 300 rounds like I can with a Glock, which I also think highly of. I expected this gun to have some teething problems during break-in, but that never happened. I can't say that the trigger has smoothed out and gotten any lighter like others have said after a lot of shooting and dry firing, but I can't say that its been overly gritty or heavy, either. If I buy another M&P, it wiill be the 45C. Overall, I am happy with the M&P45.
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Old December 22nd, 2009, 05:39 PM   #4
 
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I'm not law enforcement, but have been shooting for over 30 years. I have 3 M&Ps: .40C, 40FS and .45FS (thumb safety without mag safety) that were all purchased nearly at the same time this past summer.



I'm selling the .40C and almost sold the .45FS without ever firing a shot thru it as I kinda liked the .40FS.

A few weeks ago, I decided to shoot the .45FS using some 230gr round nose just for fun and giggles, and boy, was I impressed!

I went on to shoot several magazine loads of different ammo....all shot without a flaw. Accuracy was good and the perceived recoil was not at all unpleasant. This is a sweet-shooting pistol!!

Long story short: I not only decided to keep the .45FS but have been conceal-carrying it (legally) on several occasions since.

Yes, its bigger and heavier than some other pistols, but I LOVE the way this gun handles and shoots and it sure is hard to argue about those big old holes it makes.

To address the lower capacity of this gun, I just carry an extra mag....a 15-rounder.

I like the .45FS over all of the M&Ps I've owned or shot.

Here shortly, I plan removing the thumb safety, adding on a Crimson Trace laser setup, smoothing the roughness out the trigger and removing the "beaver tail" as well. These mods should make it even sweeter for civilian CC.
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Old December 22nd, 2009, 07:20 PM   #5
 
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I conceal carry legally with this gun. I use Crimson Trace and two 10 round magazines. The gun will put a round to less than 2 inches from point of aim anywhere up to 15 yards. Dead accurate on iron, pretty darn close with laser; good enough to shoot on.



No safety, in fact gun is capable of firing without magazine. Sometimes some guns get sick and drop mags. That round left in the chamber can still be dispatched. The only defense against AD is situational awareness and a hyper conscious alertness towards the weapon and it's trigger at all times. When I find myself distracted I step out of the situation and get back onto the weapon.



I carry condition three, meaning no chambered round. I can live or die according to the situation if I need the gun and draw/rack it in one motion.



Speer Gold dot 230 grain hollows and the old 230 grain Lawman jackets is what I put through the weapon. No failures of any kind other than newbie gun owner errors.



I shoot at least once every month A set against sight in targets; a set against a combat full size target and a set conceal drawing after RO permission in either summer or winter clothing (sometimes with large gloves on....) Sometimes I ask the lights to be turned off or turned against me.



I am willing to bet that Criminals dont get intimate with their weapon. I keep my weapon clean as I can, every range trip it is cleaned. It is torn down and cleaned every 300 rounds. I inspect everything and I mean all of it before heading out that doorway.



Getting ready to mod the gun further with a ported storm lake on the next field strip and we will see how it does.



I use the Smart Carry Conceal system which works well but kind of... bulky during extended car driving.



1200 rounds and counting. Looks like 3000+ by end of 2010. At 5000 rounds I am replacing gun with another MP45.



I am not Law Enforcement. The closest we get to Leos is going to the Police Range once a month when they are availible for People to visit and shoot there.
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Old December 23rd, 2009, 03:25 AM   #6
 
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I'm convinced the M&P frame safety is a liability, not a feature.



The major liability is the inability to ensure it's Off when needed. Recall that the "proper" grip on a M1911 requires the thumb to remain on top of the safety lever at all times to ensure it's off-safe when needed. The M&P frame safety isn't designed for this and it's difficult to do.



There are too many reports on websites as innocent as this noting the safety comes off too often in the holster.



Off would be how I'd carry this pistol, but that still leaves me with the nagging question of "Is it really off?" With a M1911 I know it's off as my thumb pushed it down the microsecond I obtained a grip on the pistol and it's still down as my thumb is still on top.



You can avoid all this "thumb on top" stuff if there's no frame safety in the first place!



No one has yet explained any advantage of a magazine safety. But it appears to be less of a liability than the frame safety.



Other than a short tour as regimental provost marshal I'm not a cop.



-- Chuck
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Old December 23rd, 2009, 05:40 PM   #7
 
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While its not a 45 I did transition my agency from Beretta 96s to M&P 40's. Our qual scores went up, the guys confidience in the weapon is high and everybody really likes the gun. My agency is farily small 50 officers. Ilike the platform enough I bought myself a full size 45 last week. I also plan on buying a compact in 40 after the holidays
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Old December 30th, 2009, 11:26 AM   #8
 
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I've been carrying a 45 on duty for about a year now. So far i've been pretty impressed with it. I have somewhat smaller hands so I use the small backstrap which fits me fine. A also carry this as an off-duty gun with no real problems.



Another poster wasn't too happy with the manual safety on the gun. I think he's right about it definately not being like a 1911 safety, which has a much more positive feel. I personally like the manual safety in regards to a gun grab situation. Mine has a safety and i've had some of the same issues with it disengaging in the holster.



Hope this helps



Brian
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Old January 2nd, 2010, 02:58 PM   #9
 
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CHeck the 10-8 forums. Hilton Yam is a 1911 smith and full time cop in Florida. In his review of the M&P 45 he sttaed if he had to lose his Issue 1911 and convert to M&P in 45ACP he would have no problem with it. I believe he liked the model with the 4 inch barrel best.
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Old January 15th, 2010, 03:51 PM   #10
 
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Originally Posted by chuck s' post='234411' date='Dec 23 2009, 01:25 PM
I'm convinced the M&P frame safety is a liability, not a feature.



-- Chuck




The first time you have to fight for your gun, you will understand my preference for a manual safety. I got caught short and had to fight a guy for my Browning High Power years ago. A lesson I learned well.
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Old January 15th, 2010, 03:55 PM   #11
 
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The first guns of our order came in today. I checked out the first one and will work up the transition training at the range this week end. I had a chance to show it to a few folks. One guy is 6'7" with huge mitts the other is a 5'4" female with diminutive hands. With the different grip inserts.....both were pleased. That is truly a good sign. It's amazing how much easier it is to get a person to a level of competency when they use a gun they feel good about.
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Old January 15th, 2010, 05:10 PM   #12
 
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Originally Posted by Taco101' post='237512' date='Jan 16 2010, 12:55 AM
The first guns of our order came in today. I checked out the first one and will work up the transition training at the range this week end. I had a chance to show it to a few folks. One guy is 6'7" with huge mitts the other is a 5'4" female with diminutive hands. With the different grip inserts.....both were pleased. That is truly a good sign. It's amazing how much easier it is to get a person to a level of competency when they use a gun they feel good about.


I've carried mine for about a year, plain clothes in a Serpa holster. We are not allowed to carry 1911's. I feel like the M&P is about as close in feel as you can get. The striker breakage problem is very bothersome, but there is a redesign. I am going to get a compact when funds allow. Mine is without the safety and no mag disconnect. I wish the safety was more 1911 like. I shoot best with my thumb high on the frame, but I keep holding the slide release down preventing lock back when empty.



I don't to every carry anything other than a .45. If I can't carry a 1911, the M&P is the way to go.



Be Safe
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Old February 18th, 2010, 02:24 AM   #13
 
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1911, a big gun. Almost all fans of handguns it possesses any. Times have changed and apes carry a weapon to his belt, under a jacket for several hours it becomes a torture. The S & W M & P 45, is the natural evolution of 1911. He will also have some small flaw that will be fixed in time, but also its functionality can not be put into question. It brings good luck, it snaps into any part during the extraction, is very safe even without the External secure and acquires the target quickly.

Its defects are: the trigger too hard and too rough in step, which results in a few minutes of work.





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Old June 2nd, 2010, 07:19 PM   #14
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Our department switched over to the M&P45 in November of 2009. No thumb safety, no mag safety. We came from the S&W 66, Glock 22, S&W 4046. Since then each pistol has had at least 500 rounds through them, some more. Only once, one went down due to a operator error.

When I recieved them I went through each one to find me a one with the best trigger. Then I let the other instructers have at the rest. Well I had one officer who came practice alot and has the most rounds through his pistol. He is just an average shooter and I decided to shoot his weapon to see if it would group, and was supprised that it had a great trigger (better than mine) after him putting at least 2500 rounds through it, and I shot a 2 inch group at 25 yards with it, made me feel 18 again with good eyes.

To date, 70 pistols ran 50,000+ rounds, no malfuonctions, no breakages, no stoppages, no rust and this is with the high humidity, and rain in south Louisiana.
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Old June 19th, 2010, 01:09 PM   #15
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I currently have the M&P9 FS. The M&P45 FS has piqued my interest. I like my M&P's with no thumb safety or mag safety. I shoot with a high thumb grip and do not have the problem with the slide lock as it is farther forward than most pistols. My issued Sig P226 is quite the opposite, that damn slide lock is exactly where you should be putting your right thumb!! Drives me crazy!!



All in all I find the M&P line of pistols to be some of the best on the market. My Glocks have been gathering dust since I got my M&P9. Anyone have a general idea on LEO cost on a new M&P45 FS?? Might call Vance's in Columbus.
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