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LEOs switching from .40 back to 9mm?

This is a discussion on LEOs switching from .40 back to 9mm? within the Law Enforcement forums, part of the Armory category; Originally Posted by m39nut' post='241951' date='Feb 13 2010, 04:09 AM I was told from a friend of mine who is a policeman that a lot ...


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Old February 15th, 2010, 08:34 AM   #16
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Originally Posted by m39nut' post='241951' date='Feb 13 2010, 04:09 AM
I was told from a friend of mine who is a policeman that a lot of departments are switching to 45 from both 9 and 40 due to stopping power.


Stopping power... Yawn... Another caliber war...



Police needed stopping power after the Hollywood Bank Shootout, so they issued AR's!!! Not 45s.



45ACP is INFERIOR to 9mm in as many "categories of effectiveness" as it is superior. Same with 40...



*** 45ACP, on the other hand, HAS been scientifically PROVEN to make your pe_is SEEM larger. ***



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Departments with budgets for weapons have to SPEND those budgets, or else they will LOSE those funds in the future. In order to spend the money, they need to JUSTIFY the expense. In order to justify spending OUR Taxpayer dollars to replace PERFECTLY GOOD, PERFECTLY EFFECTIVE weapons, they have to show a REASON.. such as ammo expense, or stopping power... If you've ever worked in Government contracting and acquisitions... which I have... you'd understand.



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Old February 15th, 2010, 03:25 PM   #17
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Originally Posted by JeffWard' post='242276' date='Feb 15 2010, 11:34 AM
If you've ever worked in Government contracting and acquisitions... which I have... you'd understand.


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Been there. Done that.
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That sounds like a bad rumor, I can't see depts going back to 9mm when the vast majority are 40 now adays. Cost of ammo doesn't cost that much more when depts are buying in bulk.
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Given the same hours of training, a police recruit will most likely be more proficient with the 9mm than with the .357SIG, .40, or .45
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The State Police use the Sig .357 as they feel it will penetrate car bodies and windshields better than the 9.


This is really the only advantage I see to the .40 over the 9mm.For an LEO it may be enough to outweight the advantages of the 9mm.



For me(and the vast majority of CCP holders) I think the 9mm is a better choice.



I know several LEO and prison guards who carry the .40 or .357 on duty...Most carry the 9mm off duty(many say they would prefer it for on the job as well).



I don't know anyone other than a couple/few local gunshop owners who are carrying the .45 (all 1911).
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Old March 11th, 2010, 02:43 PM   #21
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When selecting my first personal defense weapon at 48 years old I was permitted to handle and fire a variety of weapons in various calibers. The brand of handgun I selected was based on the ergonomics and initial accuracy of the M&P pistol, while the caliber was based mostly on my level of comfort and the advice of Sheriff's dept. rank and file officers. The majority of them chose 40S&W for their off duty weapon (although not an M&P40), I agreed with their decision over my trainer's opinion and bought my M&P40. I'm reasonably certain the 9mm round is as effective as the 40S&W if you get a well placed shot, probably not quite as effective as a .45 ACP (especially if you're off by an inch) but you've got a few more rounds to hopefully make up for that.



There has never been a time in the last 3 years that I could not buy 40S&W ammo off the shelf, even while the 9mm fanboys were crying on their empty magazines. When 9mm is available we swap out our 40S&W barrels for Storm Lake 9mm conversion barrels, since it tends to cut the cost of range practice, but once we're almost done with our practice session the 40S&W barrel goes back in for 5 or 6 more magazines and we haven't had the desire to go back to 9mm until the we get back to the range the next week. Of the 30 or so boxes of SD ammo on the shelf and in the vault it doesn't look like I have a single box of 9mm SD ammo right now, and we're fine with that.



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That sounds like a bad rumor, I can't see depts going back to 9mm when the vast majority are 40 now adays. Cost of ammo doesn't cost that much more when depts are buying in bulk.




That's the reason why my local PD switched from 10mm Smiths to 9mm M&P's.
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A rumor (yeah I know) has been floating around that a couple of departments may be switching from .40SW back to 9mm. The reason cost, availability and increased shooting time. (practice/qual). Another reason given was that 9mm loads have improved a great deal.

Thoughts?
With the amount of new jacks here in NYC it is great that they shoot the 9mm. The 40 would blow these kids back. Half weigh 120 pounds wet and the rest just look like 12th graders.
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With the amount of new jacks here in NYC it is great that they shoot the 9mm. The 40 would blow these kids back. Half weigh 120 pounds wet and the rest just look like 12th graders.
So it is a lot like shooting rats.
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As one who sells handguns to LE agencies in three states, I have not encountered anyone going to 9mm from any other caliber because of ammo availability. .40S&W seems to have the greatest following in my experience over the last three years.



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Our LEO's here are keeping the 40's and have been switching to the M&P's. Don't see too many Glockabooms anymore.
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My experience (in the Pacific NW) has been more LEO's come to our range w/ 40 S&Ws than ever before. 9mm is still a service caliber, but as some LEO's will tell you, some of these departments are waiting for their new budgets$ to kick in for their new replacements: New 40 S&W service pistiols.



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Why not M&P 357Mag ?
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My dept has used the .357 round since 2001. We switched to the M&P back in 2008 from the Glock.



The local PD use the Glock 9mm

The S.O. is fixing to switch to the .45 M&P.
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My Dept. still issues G22's with Federal Hydra-shok 180's. No plans to change in the foreseeable future. I personally own both a variety of Glocks and M&P's.



Despite the fact I'm the firearms instructor the Major in charge of operations won't support a change to M&P's right not due to the cost associated. A local Department, Cincinnati Police, recently switched from S&W 3rd gen DAO autos to M&P's.



If we could scare up the funding, I'd be 100% behind a change from G22's to M&P9's.
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