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LEOs switching from .40 back to 9mm?

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Old April 21st, 2010, 05:56 PM   #46
 
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Funny you should mention that. I just had a 1000round case of .40 handed to me by a smiling man driving a big brown truck today.





He was smiling because I came out to greet him at his truck, rather than making him walk it all the way to my door.
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Old April 21st, 2010, 07:54 PM   #47
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I can't find anything but .40S&W at walmart so that's why I bought a .40 S&W. Please by all means keep having your 9mm vs 45acp war because I would like to keep the .40 S&W ammo flow going. lol


no problem finding WWB 9mm at Walmart in Indianapolis or Marion, OH
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Old April 21st, 2010, 09:27 PM   #48
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It doesn't surprise me.. Realistically .40 is a pointless round that in many circumstances is equal to or even (gasp) less effective than 9mm. I'll take a round that offers higher capacity, lower recoil, increased availability for practice, and is still ballistically almost identical to .40 any day.



Honestly though, I get tired of .40 vs 9mm..


Your post would seem contradictory to your last statement.
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Old May 6th, 2010, 09:40 PM   #49
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That is the issue, training. There is an idea and movement here in OH that OPOTA (Ohio Peace Officer training) to "dumb down" some of the requalification requirements to only having to fire 25 rounds/ and then only doing that once a year instead of the 50 rounds twice a year which in my eyes is woefully inadequate. I have some good friends who are LEO firearm/range trainers and they just shake their heads. They say there are many reasons for this (change) and the biggie is cost. Imagine what a wrongful death suit will cost them? I'm am an instructor and licensee and practice at least 1 time a month and usually 1 time a week. I have less a standard than a "professional" officer would/should have but yet shoot nearly 500 times as much.



It's all about practice and not just burning rounds but PRACTICE. If I make a mistake it will not be from lack of practice.


OPOTC wanted to dumb it down and they are still working on it. OPOTC only requires officers to re-qualify once a year and the course of fire is 60 rounds; not 50 twice a year. Qualifications are a test; not practice. It is up to trainers to train the officers as long as budgets permit it. Most agencies that issue weapons around me, issue 40's. Smaller dept. carry what they want. Someone said it already, but the most effective caliber is the one you are most comforatable with.
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Old May 7th, 2010, 05:57 AM   #50
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is this thread for real?



i heard the military is dropping .308 and .50 to pick up .408 cheytac
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Old May 7th, 2010, 11:50 AM   #51
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i heard the military is dropping .308 and .50 to pick up .408 cheytac






Nice, now my sides hurt.
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My agency recently dropped .40S&W all together. They have always issues guns in 9mm (currently glock 17) but have also had .40 and .45 ammo issued if you carried your POW. Now if you want to carry .40S&W you have to supply all of your own practice, qualification and duty ammo.



I asked what the reason was and I was told it was availability of the ammo, but I am not sure how much truth there is to that.
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Old July 26th, 2010, 03:45 PM   #53
 
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Our Dept. is .40 or .45, barrell length at least 4". No 9s.
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Old July 26th, 2010, 05:29 PM   #54
 
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My agency recently dropped .40S&W all together. They have always issues guns in 9mm (currently glock 17) but have also had .40 and .45 ammo issued if you carried your POW. Now if you want to carry .40S&W you have to supply all of your own practice, qualification and duty ammo.



I asked what the reason was and I was told it was availability of the ammo, but I am not sure how much truth there is to that.


Which agency would that be?
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Old July 28th, 2010, 12:41 PM   #55
 
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Just to put in my two cents about the topic.



We sell more .40 M&P to agencies than the 9, however we sell more 9mm Sig that we do .40 Sigs. I think it really depends on where "around here" is.



We sell nationwide and see that when officers get the choice to choose their caliber, its roughly broken down like this, in regards to M&P's



45% 9mm

40% .40

14% .45

1% .357
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Old July 30th, 2010, 05:53 AM   #56
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OPOTC wanted to dumb it down and they are still working on it. OPOTC only requires officers to re-qualify once a year and the course of fire is 60 rounds; not 50 twice a year. Qualifications are a test; not practice. It is up to trainers to train the officers as long as budgets permit it. Most agencies that issue weapons around me, issue 40's. Smaller dept. carry what they want. Someone said it already, but the most effective caliber is the one you are most comforatable with.


Michigan (MCOLES) already stupified our LE firearms standards a few years back. Down to 22 rounds fired to qual, which in turn saves the depts tons of money on ammo (used to be 46 rounds x2 runs). It is total BS. When I started 20+ years ago, we used to have regularly scheduled open practice range days, show up and shoot as much as you wanted with the depts ammo. Sign of the times I guess.
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[quote name='BX52 S&W FEIN' timestamp='1269483862' post='249238']

With the amount of new jacks here in NYC it is great that they shoot the 9mm. The 40 would blow these kids back. Half weigh 120 pounds wet and the rest just look like 12th graders.

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Would you rather have a fit 120 pound officer or an unfit 280 pound officer?



As to the caliber aspect of this dicussion, our duty ammunition is the 9mm gov't issued hollow point. My off duty cc is the M&P in 357 sig or the 45 depending on my mood. I would much rather use a different caliber for duty but its the Army.....not much you can do about it.
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LEO's switching to 9? Not sure, because I carry a 45 on duty by choice. But, for off duty, I gave up my G23 .40 in favor of the M&P9C.



Current 9mm's are so efficient that it really doesn't make a lot of difference. I'll take the extra two rounds and the lighter loads for comfort.



They're all very effective, especially with a headshot.
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