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Old February 9th, 2010, 09:24 AM   #1
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A rumor (yeah I know) has been floating around that a couple of departments may be switching from .40SW back to 9mm. The reason cost, availability and increased shooting time. (practice/qual). Another reason given was that 9mm loads have improved a great deal.

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Old February 9th, 2010, 09:35 AM   #2
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Originally Posted by awmp' post='241383' date='Feb 9 2010, 11:24 AM
A rumor (yeah I know) has been floating around that a couple of departments may be switching from .40SW back to 9mm. The reason cost, availability and increased shooting time. (practice/qual). Another reason given was that 9mm loads have improved a great deal.

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Some rumors are true some are not. When you get something confirming it come on back.
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Old February 9th, 2010, 09:38 AM   #3
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It doesn't surprise me.. Realistically .40 is a pointless round that in many circumstances is equal to or even (gasp) less effective than 9mm. I'll take a round that offers higher capacity, lower recoil, increased availability for practice, and is still ballistically almost identical to .40 any day.



Honestly though, I get tired of .40 vs 9mm..
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Old February 9th, 2010, 09:58 AM   #4
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SWEET!!! More cheap once-fired 9mm brass for me!



Personally, I don't care which one they shoot, and if I was a LEO, I'd prefer 9mm...



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The Indiana State Police and Topeka (KS) PD both transitioned from newly-issued Glock 22's to Glock 17's due to reliability issues. While not a strictly .40-to-9mm transition, the Gaithersburg (MD) PD transitioned from the .40 SIG 229 to the officer's choice of the M&P in 9mm, .40, or .45.
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I prefer the .40, but as has been stated, 9mm, .40 and .45, and .357sig will all perform equally well. Pick one you like.
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9mm has been around a lot longer than 40s&w and with the newer improved hollowpoint loads a well placed 9mm shot will do the trick as well as a 40 or 45 for that matter. Cost and availability are also huge issues but fwiw I see more 9mm on shelves than 40.
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Old February 12th, 2010, 04:59 PM   #8
 
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My county sheriff's office is planning on switching from .40 back to 9mm. The stated reason is cost since they all qualify with their carry ammo (Gold Dots).
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Old February 12th, 2010, 05:38 PM   #9
 
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Hi

I'm from Delaware. The State Police use the Sig .357 as they feel it will penetrate car bodies and windshields better than the 9. A lot of the small town police forces in the state use the .357. The officers in my small rural town of 3000+ carry the .45 and conduct drug raids with AR-15's. Ain't modern life sweet. I heard a rumor that the States might switch to the .45 but I think not. I don't know of any departments that use the .40 or the 9.
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I was told from a friend of mine who is a policeman that a lot of departments are switching to 45 from both 9 and 40 due to stopping power.
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I have both 9mm and .45 caliber hanguns. Why have a caliber that is not needed ?



"Probably the most important factor in stopping power (regardless of caliber) remains placement. That this can be difficult to obtain in the life-and-death fight scenario doesn't change the necessity for it if we want the opponent to go down for physical rather than physchological reasons"......



Preference ....
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Have observed post 9mm, 40 and 45 auto results; all work as intended when placed appropriately. However, have observed 40 perform through intermediate barriers better than the others.



No exposure to 357 Sig.



For police to switch from 40 to 9mm for training cost savings might not be the whole story. The price between 9mm / 40 for practice and duty ammo (State bid prices) is not that much compared to the cost of new pistols. Buy a lot of ammo for the difference between department used gun value and new gun purchase price.



But then again have heard of departments that buy new handguns every four to five years, and not because the guns are close to approaching the end of their service cycle.
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I talked to a S&W rep the other day that said that "about 80%" of the guns he knows are purchased by LE departments are .40s, and there "seems to be some resurgence of the .45." He said he had no figures to back those up, just an overall impression. I think cheaper will likely mean a lot more in the future, at least until somebody shoots someone with a 9mm, it doesn't work at that moment (though probably, in that event, not even a .45/.357 mag or whatever it was would matter), and there is a call for better/bigger cartridges. I have seen that happen.
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Old February 15th, 2010, 07:28 AM   #15
 
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I've also noticed a trend toward the .45. There's little debate about the calibre's effectiveness and weapons such as the M&P and the G-21SF make a reasonably high capacity .45 managable for many officers.
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