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Old January 13th, 2011, 04:00 PM   #1
 
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Has anybody heard of the M&P being sold by Smith & Wesson with a tactical trigger (supposedly more of a distinct reset)? My department is switching over to the M&P (FS40) and some of our guys just went through the armorer's course. They were told by the Smith rep that for deputies who are buying their own guns they should go through a law enforcement distributor and get a M&P with a tactical trigger. I know it's not the APEX DCAEK, which the Smith rep said was awsome, and of course we can't put in due to department policy.



I contacted one LE supplier and they said the rep was referring to the M&P40 pro.



Anybody have any knowledge on this?
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Old January 13th, 2011, 04:46 PM   #2
 
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I know that the PRO series have a different sear in them and that does affect the trigger pull usually for the better, depending on who you are. This may be what he was talking about.
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Old January 13th, 2011, 07:24 PM   #3
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i find it weird your department doesnt allow the DCAEK even though its approved by some federal government agencies



are you allowed to use the apex RAM???
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Old January 13th, 2011, 08:47 PM   #4
 
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i find it weird your department doesnt allow the DCAEK even though its approved by some federal government agencies



are you allowed to use the apex RAM???


Tony,

The policy is no changing around the internals of the pistol. It's kind of frustrating about not being able to put in a DCEAK, but I understand why the policy is there.



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Old January 13th, 2011, 11:23 PM   #5
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Policies can be changed, but it takes some leg work by the right people. Perhaps getting the training folks and armorers on board and having the APEX parts put through a series of trials would help get them approved for service. As long as the Armorers installed them and checked the weapons all should be good. The policy of not having Officers work on their guns I can understand, but I don't see why the Department Armorer couldn't do it.
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Old January 14th, 2011, 01:13 AM   #6
 
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If you're willing to spend the $90-ish, who'd notice?



(Sorry, couldn't resist.... I had a buddy at a CT PD who swore that every time you were promoted, they removed some of their brains. He made Captain and disappeared from CompuServe....)



Seriously, with all the approvals Apex seems to have, you should be able to talk somebody into something.



Meantime, the Burwell folks posted a "how to do it" article (I think it's here somewhere) that details how to do essentially the same job. Buying the kit from Apex or sending the gun to Burwell probably is a much better idea, but....



(The drop safety plunger mod is one worth doing by yourself, and essentially invisible. You may be able to get one from Burwell or Apex, too. That'll improve the overall feel of the trigger without affecting much of anything else.)



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I was able to re-shape the striker block according to Burwell's instructions and it, along with smoothing the other trigger parts, made a big difference in smoothness of pull.

I didn't even have to remove the trigger mechanism, just the striker block.
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Old January 14th, 2011, 08:38 AM   #8
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If you're willing to spend the $90-ish, who'd notice?



(Sorry, couldn't resist.... I had a buddy at a CT PD who swore that every time you were promoted, they removed some of their brains. He made Captain and disappeared from CompuServe....)



Seriously, with all the approvals Apex seems to have, you should be able to talk somebody into something.



Meantime, the Burwell folks posted a "how to do it" article (I think it's here somewhere) that details how to do essentially the same job. Buying the kit from Apex or sending the gun to Burwell probably is a much better idea, but....



(The drop safety plunger mod is one worth doing by yourself, and essentially invisible. You may be able to get one from Burwell or Apex, too. That'll improve the overall feel of the trigger without affecting much of anything else.)



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I think I detect sarcasm, but I'm not sure....



If your department has a "hands-off" policy on the internal workings on your sidearm, I wouldn't mess with it. If you have to employ deadly force, your weapon will be taken and examined as evidence. If they find your unapproved triggerjob/kit/modifications, you may have just put yourself up shit creek if you get sued in civil court, not to mention possible disciplinary action by your department.



FWIW, I'm not a cop, and I'm sure that there are more experienced/qualified people who can expound on this topic.
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Double Tap.
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They probably dont want any interal messing because:

A) They want to continue their warrenties with S&W and dont want anything to stand in the way

B) Cost of parts. Their budgets are strict and they have to abide by them.

C) The whole deal with the whole LA Sherrif's Dept. Even if the armoreres do them, the high rankers are probably still skeptical with messing around with the guts.



Just thinkin...
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I'll just leave this here:

http://www.apextactical.com/blog/index.php...acticals-dcaek/



That is not the only Department, but I can't find the official posts on the others yet. DocGKR also uses it for his duty gun as well:



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I like to use the Apex Duty kits as they work perfectly and give a trigger pull that is outstanding yet meets all local agency minimum trigger pull requirements....
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I'll just leave this here:

http://www.apextactical.com/blog/index.php...acticals-dcaek/



That is not the only Department, but I can't find the official posts on the others yet. DocGKR also uses it for his duty gun as well:


Hey, I'm not saying it's not a good thing. I'm saying that getting fired and/or sued in civil court because he went against department policy and got caught wouldn't be worth it.
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I'm not saying to go against the department, I'm saying that some departments allow the DCAEK and more will in the future.
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lane:



A little sarcasm.... I'm a semi-retired rent-a-cop, and used to be very well connected with a couple of local PD's and SD's.... (The current Sheriff and I were classmates at the local University about 40 years ago.)



Most of the "brass" around here are pretty decent guys, but every once in a while you wonder whether my buddy from CT was right.... A local friend (now deceased) got into a fight with his Sergeant about how to wear the little collar tabs - across the point, parallel to the outside, parallel to the inside, etc. The Sergeant got insistent, and said something like "it's in the manual", at which point my buddy asked to see it. "You can't".... (He got sent home.... I'm not sure which Sergeant, but I have a guess....)



Another friend calls them "Chairborne Rangers", but to be honest, you don't usually see this at small departments, and they're unusual at mid-sized ones. The big PD's seem to grow 'em.... Downside of the small PD's is that the Chief may be largely on his own for things like this - like one nearby where the guys carry Glocks because the Chief likes them. I met a kid from there who'd never really seen a 1911!



But, back to topic, the drop safety plunger mod may be quite invisible unless the "examiner" really knows what's going on. This would be particularly true if S&W was shipping a similar plunger - who knows what got installed where during a "checkout"....



Given the "safety" improvement that a good clean trigger can give you, I think I'd take the risk. The striker mod may drop the trigger weight enough to be visible, though....



In my case, though, the only hassle about weapons I ever got (or are likely to get) was way back when .38's were hard to find, and I picked up a .357 for a duty gun. "DO NOT use magnum loads!" .357's and hollow points were hot buttons at the time.... The Guard Service management didn't really care.



Really, though, the safe tack is to stay on top of management to get things like this approved, to improve the Officer's response to deadly force incidents. Somebody might figure it out....



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I'm in charge of firearms approval for my agency. I offer this:



If I find someone that has done an unapproved modification to their firearm they are gone at the instant I discover it.



In writing, I have pre-approved certain modifications as well as certain firearms. Anything else is done on a case by case basis.



IF your agency doesn't approve it, don't try it.
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