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Old September 27th, 2011, 04:34 PM   #1
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I need some feedback on "Duty Holsters". I'm picking up some armed security work to supplement my fitness training income, and possibly co-founding a company to do some overseas corporate protective work and training. I'm very well versed in competition rigs, and I use a Blade-Tech Black-Ice DOH for USPSA, but I'm less familiar with "Duty" Holsters with higher retention. I am finding that the Safariland 6360/6365 see to be the leading choice, but I'm really interested in the Blade-Tech.



Any experiences you LEOs can share? I'm open to all suggestions.



Thanks!

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Old September 27th, 2011, 05:31 PM   #2
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Jeff,

I retired 3 years ago after 33 years in law enforcement and the holster(s) that I wore for the majority of those years was made by Safariland. They are a quality holster and in my opinion they are the best. The last holsters I wore for autoloaders was the Model 070 Level III Retention Duty Holster, SSIII Mid-Ride. With practice it is a very fast holster. I don't have any experience with the 6360/6365 models but if Safariland makes it, it is quality.



I don't have any experience with Blade-Tech products so I can't speak of them.



I was just recently contacted by the Court Administrator of our municipal court about providing armed security a few hours a week and if I accept the job the holster I think I'm going to carry the M&P40 in is the 070 holster, and that mostly because of many years of familiarity with it.



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Old September 28th, 2011, 12:43 AM   #3
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My friend, who is a police officer, uses a Safariland 070, which is the gold standard for duty holsters, and he loves it. Massad Ayoob also raves about the Safariland Raptor (namely that its quicker to reholster and have the security devices engaged than with the 070)
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I used a 070 for the first 10 years that I was on the job. The agency issued them and didn't allow for other options.



I will agree with the poster above that with practice it can be a very fast holster. There is no doubt that it is secure. My only problem with it is that it doesn't distribute the weight of pistol well at all. Now that I have a choice I have switched over to the Safariland ALS series.
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I need some feedback on "Duty Holsters". I'm picking up some armed security work to supplement my fitness training income, and possibly co-founding a company to do some overseas corporate protective work and training. I'm very well versed in competition rigs, and I use a Blade-Tech Black-Ice DOH for USPSA, but I'm less familiar with "Duty" Holsters with higher retention. I am finding that the Safariland 6360/6365 see to be the leading choice, but I'm really interested in the Blade-Tech.



Any experiences you LEOs can share? I'm open to all suggestions.



Thanks!

Jeff
I work in Corrections and use a 6367 and 6378 holster for concealed carry and hunting. I find I like the 6378 best. I think the 6360 would be a great duty holster. I do know that it already has documented saves.
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Old October 18th, 2011, 11:19 AM   #6
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safariland is hard to beat, just take that guard deal off that covers the bale. it COULD cause a problem in a bad situation. practice with it once you get it too. the bale is way different than an open top competition rig. but with practice, way fast.
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Old October 18th, 2011, 01:02 PM   #7
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I ended up with neither...



Since I've owned about 3, and I have PRACTICED, PRACTICED, PRACTICED with all three, I went with a SWEET deal on a Blackhawk Serpa Level III.



1) It's FAST. Easily the fastest of the three I tested, because the spring loaded hood snaps out instantly, and the finger release is instinctive.

2) You cannot close the top hood without the gun in the holster, so you cannot be "locked out" if you go hands-on.

3) Once you reholster, you're still Level 2.

4) The holster body will swap from low-ride, belt carry, to high-ride, to thigh-rig, to molle-chest-rig, to ANYTHING Blackhawk. Which I may be using in the next few years.



YES.... I've read all the Serpa-Hate threads, and they're a bunch of bullsh__ if you train with the rig. Your trigger finger ends up right on the FRAME above the trigger, not IN the trigger guard, on the draw. There are a few thousand US Military guys who used Serpas in the sandbox and loved them.



I'm really happy with this rig, first impression.



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i would recommend trying support hand only drills. Draw, reload, etc. can be very tricky with that holster.
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I ended up with neither...



Since I've owned about 3, and I have PRACTICED, PRACTICED, PRACTICED with all three, I went with a SWEET deal on a Blackhawk Serpa Level III.



1) It's FAST. Easily the fastest of the three I tested, because the spring loaded hood snaps out instantly, and the finger release is instinctive.

2) You cannot close the top hood without the gun in the holster, so you cannot be "locked out" if you go hands-on.

3) Once you reholster, you're still Level 2.

4) The holster body will swap from low-ride, belt carry, to high-ride, to thigh-rig, to molle-chest-rig, to ANYTHING Blackhawk. Which I may be using in the next few years.



YES.... I've read all the Serpa-Hate threads, and they're a bunch of bullsh__ if you train with the rig. Your trigger finger ends up right on the FRAME above the trigger, not IN the trigger guard, on the draw. There are a few thousand US Military guys who used Serpas in the sandbox and loved them.



I'm really happy with this rig, first impression.



Jeff


Hey, it's cool if you're happy with it, but there are quite a few well-respected names within the firearms community who discourage or ban that holster from their classes.



What's involved with getting "qualified" to do OCP? What credentials do you have that makes you marketable? I'm not asking in a critical way, I'm just curious.
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Old October 20th, 2011, 11:36 AM   #10
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What's involved with getting "qualified" to do OCP? What credentials do you have that makes you marketable? I'm not asking in a critical way, I'm just curious.


Qualifications in CP/EP in Florida are pretty simple. First you have to be Licensed by the state to carry a firearm professionally, which is the FL G-License. To get the G-License, you need the D-License (Security Guard), which is a 40hr boring pain in the a__... (66 hrs for both classes.) With both licenses, you're "legal". You can carry concealed with G-License if specified by the Principle in the contract. "Off-Duty", I revert to my concealed carry license.



"Qualified" is another story. Connections are critical. You have to know people who know people, who need personal security. I'm a Personal Trainer, for a number of affluent and influential people in the Tampa/St Pete area. Like most careers, it's 80% who you know, and 20% what you know. You don't get a EP job by advertising on Craig's List. "Marketable" is a tough quality. It's a connections/word-of-mouth business.



Then, there are the schools... I'm attending a Close Protection Training School next month, to get certified/trained in defensive driving, weapon retention, protection strategies, threat assessment, hand-to-hand (refresher), etc, etc, etc... It's 4-6 days. They're not cheap, but they're being funded through my agency.



Also, it helps that I'm 6'4" and 240+ lbs... (fitness professional, not beer belly) with a decent proficiency in hand-to-hand (Krav Maga and Jiujitsu, though rusty...). Some personal security pros work "below the radar", unseen. Others are pretty friggin' obvious, like me. 90% of my job is making my principle a difficult target. Like keeping yourself confident-looking and aware will help keep you from being mugged, you don't have to be as aware if you're accompanied by a bodyguard. I get paid to be aware. My Principle can socialize, do business, etc, without worrying about being bothered.



Shooting is a very small part of the job, but if required is obviously extremely important. Yesterday, training with my team, we practiced shooting from cover, on the move cover-to-cover, one-handed-retreating, etc, etc. I shoot 400-800 rounds per month in USPSA/IDPA, and now an additional 200 in defensive tactics training. I'm trying to get my agency to cover that cost... LOL. Investment in a quality concealable ballistic vest is pretty important too... I don't plan on getting shot, but if I do, I plan on surviving.



The second-to-last thing that's required is a very cool temper. Lots of "bouncers", "ex-fighters", and "ex-marines" (my apologies to my Marine Corps friends...) like to START fights a bit too much, and are more liability than asset to the Principle. My first job is the DE-escalate a situation, not to inflame it.



Finally... Discretion. You have to be able to shut-the-F-up. The best way to lose your current EP job, is to talk about your last one... Privacy is HUGE to clients. Some very good paying clients will do things in front of their body guard that they really would prefer stay out of the press, and out of their marriage. It's part of the job.



Just some of the guidance I've gotten from my mentor(s) in the business.



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... support hand only drills. Draw, reload, etc. can be very tricky with that holster.
as it can be with any other level II/III retention holster. Although I'm no fan of the Serpa, most of the accidents attributed to it are because of the user's familiarity or lack thereof.
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The Safariland ALS series are great holsters, I am T&E'ing a 5.11 thumb drive holster right now and like it quite a bit, IMO it is way batter than the Blackhawk Serpa. Very secure is the 5.11 and no trigger finger involved in the unlocking device /draw stroke. The 5.11 stands up every bit as well as the Safariland gear to attempted gun grab (training) to my surprise
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Safariland 6365 for me. It had the ALS, but it had been removed and is using just the hood. I found the ALS tab to be too small to consistently catch in high stress situations (training scenarios like sprints before shooting). I am very happy with the holster overall and it takes some serious abuse in some of the classes I participate in with no issues.

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