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Old October 21st, 2012, 11:48 AM   #16
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Hearsay, so no tangible proof of any kind to be shared.

On another topic, I have a talking dog for sale, who wants to buy it?
I have one to give to a good home.
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Old October 21st, 2012, 01:14 PM   #17
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verbal report.
So, there is no written documentation? I was curious if they were T&E pistols, if S&W was contacted, pictures of the cracks, etc.
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Purpose of my post was was to reach out to fans of the gun,since those with an interest in the M&P would be more likely to take note of any info they may come across.
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Old October 29th, 2012, 11:35 PM   #20
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I don't think the jabs are towards you bro. Probably more towards NYPD personnel making 'verbal reports' without providing proof. Like Ward said, it's all about big contracts and shady department politics.
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Old October 31st, 2012, 06:00 AM   #21
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I don't think the jabs are towards you bro. Probably more towards NYPD personnel making 'verbal reports' without providing proof. Like Ward said, it's all about big contracts and shady department politics.
Im starting to realize that now. On another note, on the smith and wesson forum I found some info with a poster named ultra45 who claims to be NYPD. He state the problems has been with the compact having feeding issues with nypd duty ammo,he also stated that the fullsize was approved be would not be put into service unless the compact was also approved.

Again just sharing what I learned.

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Old October 31st, 2012, 09:29 AM   #22
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Sounds more like a quality control problem with the 124 grain gold dot +p being over pressured?
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Old October 31st, 2012, 10:06 AM   #23
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I am leaning more towards politics. If the ATF shot over 15k through individual guns of 40 SW gold dot and there guns did not fail,not to mention that 40 is hotter then +p 9. There is more to the story. As a life long resident of NYC I can tell you this is a who you know who you Blow town.
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Old October 31st, 2012, 12:21 PM   #24
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It is ABSOLUTELY political. And down to saved cents per individual gun. My department used to carry SW 5904 9mm. We then made a knee jerk reaction and went to the horrible SW99 in .40 which lasted for a year or so.

People who made the decisions didn't listen when advised to wait, SW is coming out with a new duty handgun (MP) which will be very good.

So Glock came in and offered some deal to sell us cheap guns and pay for the duty holsters etc....

So we carry glocks after decades of SW.

If we had been just a bit patient, we'd have M&P40's.

But that's for issued guns. We can carry what we want as long as we pay for it.
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Im starting to realize that now. On another note, on the smith and wesson forum I found some info with a poster named ultra45 who claims to be NYPD. He state the problems has been with the compact having feeding issues with nypd duty ammo,he also stated that the fullsize was approved be would not be put into service unless the compact was also approved.

Again just sharing what I learned.
Sorry getting into this so late. I saw the same post they had trouble with the compact gun, with S&W saying it's an ammo problem not the gun. NYPD says otherwise, as the FS doesn't have any issues. The department wants to offer both at the same time, one as a service pistol and the compact for off duty.

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I have no issues with my M&P 357c and Speer Gold Dot...

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Old July 25th, 2015, 09:03 PM   #27
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since when does a police firearm shoot 10,000 rounds before retiring it? are they keeping them 10 years?????
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I also lost my white dot! Called S&W and they said to use Testers white model paint to fix it.
I lost the white dot on my Shield after around 5 or 6 hundred rounds. Used white Rustoleum and things are fine after another 1500+ rounds.
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A friend told a friend told a friend story.

I can see it getting passed on, "Hold my beer, I got a hella story to tell ya!"



Of course, anything is possible, take ten brand new Tahos off the factory line, drive them for 30 days non stop in the desert, never cut them off... and Im pretty sure one of them will blow a hose, overheat the trans or SOMETHING.

Nothing made by man is perfect.

However when it comes to weapons, 1 failure out of thousands and thousands is to be expected and not representative of the group as a whole.

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since when does a police firearm shoot 10,000 rounds before retiring it? are they keeping them 10 years?????
10 years? Try twenty two to twenty five years. The NYPD does not replace an officer's gun. If he or she wants a different gun, they have to buy it themselves. The firearm is expected to last that long minus small fixes like a spring change. The cop's whole career. That's why they do the 10,000 round test. The NYPD test is 10,000 124 grain +P 9 mm rounds in a very short period of time( I do not know the actual time). Many great guns have failed including the Glock 43 ( the off duty guns might have a different round count to pass) The M&P shield did pass the off duty tests. The M&P service gun did not pass( I do not know why).

Some guns can't take 10,000 plus P in that short of time but are great guns or could pass a test of 10,000 plus P rounds but just didn't like the Gold Dot brand that the NYPD uses .

The NYPD shoots over 4.5 million rounds of 124 grain gold dot plus P a year just shooting requalifications. Much more if you include intial academy training , training outside departments, and specialized training

Remember how big the NYPD is. Over 30,000 cops. My academy class alone was over 2500 people. The class that got out six months after mine had over 2500 people as well

The Nypd would have loved for the M&P service weapon to have passed. The Smith and Wesson 5906 was discontinued and made in a different plant for the NYPD . They would love to have more than one vendor so if something goes wrong, they don't have all 30,000 guns to fix. It happened to the Glock 19 with the phase 3 manufuction, the Sig Sauger P226 with rust issues and quality control issues with the Smith. If all happened at the same time, they would have been big trouble. Imagine a department having to replace/fix 30,000 guns at one shot.
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