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Old July 25th, 2015, 01:28 AM   #1
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Hey everyone! Well, it's official. As of July 22nd 2015, the Chicago Police Department will only allow its officers to carry 9mm striker-fired handguns for on-duty and off-duty use.

If you have bought and qualified with a .40 or .45 handgun before that date you are "grandfathered" in. Thank God I've been carrying my M&P40 for awhile now. I would hate to give it up as my service sidearm. If we had any warning beforehand I definitely would have bought an M&P40C or .40 Shield as my backup.

And there's the rub. All of us were blind-sided by this order with no warning. I guess I'll have to settle for a 9mm Shield. Funny thing is, when I retire in several years (hopefully!) I can carry anything I want as a civilian concealed carry permit holder in this crazy city.

I'm wondering if other departments out there are "doubling-down" on the 9 and were hit with an overnight switch to this caliber?
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Old July 25th, 2015, 03:36 AM   #2
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They may be wanting to reduce the lethality of there officer's stray rounds... Theres, not yours off course. ;-)

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Old July 25th, 2015, 10:10 AM   #3
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I suspect something along those lines 11B. The police are "too lethal"..."too paramilitary"..."too intimidating". Been hearing that alot lately. Of course, giving us more firearms training and more rounds to practice with never crossed our bosses' minds. [snicker]
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Whether it's real or not, seems like there is a trend towards 9mm as a duty round. I say real or not because when large agencies whether local, state, or federal switch to 9mm it gets the media's attention.........due to the size of their agency. It's the same with some duty pistols....military use first, then civilian use later.

I would not feel under protected with a 9mm. Some excellent loads (JHP) are available for purchase. Also, you might get in an extra couple rounds in the magazine with 9mm vs 40s&w.

I have worked for local law enforcement in the past (12) years and the NC DOC (14) years. You shot what they gave you in caliber and pistol.....as well as shotgun and rifle. Surely 9mm is more economical than 40 or 45 and unfortunately economics do play a role when deciding on a caliber.....especially for larger agencies.
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Carry a 357cal sig 226 for duty and we can carry anything between a .380 and 44 mag for off duty as long as we qual with it once a year. My department frowns upon a "back up gun" while on duty, but i think it would fall under our policy of a "weapon of opportunity" for us if we had to use it. As long as we have qualified with it and could articulate why we had to use it i think it would be ok.
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Carry a 357cal sig 226 for duty and we can carry anything between a .380 and 44 mag for off duty as long as we qual with it once a year. My department frowns upon a "back up gun" while on duty, but i think it would fall under our policy of a "weapon of opportunity" for us if we had to use it. As long as we have qualified with it and could articulate why we had to use it i think it would be ok.
Good Lord; I would hope if any of y'all had to use a BUG it would be "OK!"

Anything you have to do to get home safe at the end of the day would be OK with me.

I't's unbelievable some of the crap our LEO's are having to work under these days.
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I't's unbelievable some of the crap our LEO's are having to work under these days.
THIS is the sentence of the year! I was a CO for 7 years, gave it up due to stress... Early on, we ran the pod. At the end it was an f'en day care and I couldnt tolerate that crap another day... staff's lives were in danger just clocking into work.

LEOs are doing something today that I could not... Show up for work putting up with the BS that they do, from prejudice to excessive scrutiny and everything in between and some crap not even mentioned.

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Ha! You got that right brother. The foolishness in the air is thick and heavy meanwhile we can hear the war drums being beaten just outside the gates.

So far just this weekend in Chicago we have had 5 people killed and 24 wounded...and Sunday isn't over yet. And we've had 6 police-involved shootings this July as well.

A couple of weeks ago we were patrolling the perimeter of a public park at night when members of the Satan's Disciples and the Latin Kings got into a full-blown shootout a couple blocks away. In all there were 22 shell casings of 9mm and 8 shell casings of .45 on the scene. The criminals just aren't scared of the police anymore.

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Anyhow, back on point. Sorry to rant but the street violence here is no joke! I'm still glad I have my M&P40 as a primary. We got some real violent bull-necked 6'4" 250 lb human Cape Buffalo predators in this town that like to wear Carhartt jackets in the cold weather. A full-size .40 loaded with bonded JHP has been a proven performer under a variety of conditions. I was a paramedic before I became the police and have seen what a .40 and .45 JHP can do.
Now it looks like American law enforcement is going back to the 9mm. If I got on this job tomorrow I would seriously consider carrying an M&P9 Pro with a 5" barrel as my primary sidearm loaded with Winchester Bonded 124-grain +P. These Winchester 9mm rounds have been standard issue for us for the past 5 years and seem to perform adequately. Some guys have been using Hornady Critical Duty 135-grain and Speer Gold Dot 124-grain loads as well. I'd strap a Shield 9 inside my jacket or BDU pocket as a backup. Then go hit the range and PRACTICE whenever I could.
If I'm having a really bad night I still got an M&P15 carbine in the back of my vehicle.
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