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This is a discussion on On duty/Off duty weapon within the Law Enforcement forums, part of the Armory category; Originally Posted by jnc36rcpd Unless you have a good reason to select another weapon system, you're generally better off staying with one manual of arms ...


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Old October 24th, 2007, 09:43 PM   #16
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Unless you have a good reason to select another weapon system, you're generally better off staying with one manual of arms and weapons platform. That tends to simplify training.


+1 ... In the middle of a gunfight is the wrong time to figure out which switch is which.
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Old October 26th, 2007, 10:24 AM   #17
 
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I carry on duty M&P 40 ,off duty/backup 40C (for liabilty reasons), and I instruct the same , you should be able to prove in court that you are familiar with your off duty as much as your on duty. We require our officers to also qualify with their off duty/backup just like their on duty and records are maintained as such.



Curious,how many other agencies out there require qualifing with off duty pistol also?


My agency requires us to qualify on any and all weapons we intend to carry off duty. If we get involved in an off-duty shooting with a weapon we aren't qualified through the agency to carry... We're on our own and in direct violation of policy.
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Old November 1st, 2007, 03:19 AM   #18
 
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At my dept qualification with off duty weapons is the same as duty weapons.

I think HR 214 requires proof of qualification, no big deal if you dont travel.

I too have switched around off duty guns. But since I can carry outside my state I've been carrying when travelling the same off duty as my on duty. Except a MP compact instead of a full size. My area of the country is pretty LE friendly. I wonder about what would happen if something happened in a non friendly(gun or LE or self defence etc...) area. So I figured that the type of gun I carry off duty beibg the same as a duty MAY help take some of the issue away. Hopefully this is a mute point!
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Old November 6th, 2007, 08:11 PM   #19
 
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I carry a Glock 22 on duty and a Glock 27 off duty, although sometimes I do carry a S&W 642

for backup or for my "to the convenience store and back" gun.



We are required to qualify with the backup and off duty guns at the same yardage as the primary

weapon, although the course of fire is different because of the different capacities of the off duty /

backup.



I just recently had to get an "armed security permit" to work a part time security gig in TN, and

the "instructors" had us load our mags to less than capacity and execute mag changes with

rounds left in our less than capacity filled mags. It seems to me that this is a dangerous practice

since you fight like you train, and if you are hardwired to change a 15 round mag at 8 to 10

rounds it seems to me to be a recipe for disaster. I know about "tactical reloads", but these

"instructors" didn't even talk about retaining partially filled mags.



Any comments from the instructors out there????
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Old November 7th, 2007, 09:55 PM   #20
 
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I dont know what the reason is loading a mag part way then droppong it with rounds left in, if thats going to happen why not load itt all the way up. maybe its a state rule. for a long time my states qualification was' load six' . A hold over from revolver days. You can see where this is going being that I work in a metro area with officers that only carry a gun because they have to, and have no other intrest in them---

but thats one of many goofy stories
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I dont know what the reason is loading a mag part way then droppong it with rounds left in, if thats going to happen why not load itt all the way up. maybe its a state rule. for a long time my states qualification was' load six' . A hold over from revolver days. You can see where this is going being that I work in a metro area with officers that only carry a gun because they have to, and have no other intrest in them---

but thats one of many goofy stories


Yeah, I ran this by the training staff at my department and they were like...WTF?!?!?! If we loaded

six for the revolver people in the class I would understand that, but this was such an oddball number to load....It just made no sense to me.



Don't even get me started on some of the safety violations that I observed in the "class". I was

just flabbergasted when I left, and was glad that it was over.
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Old November 8th, 2007, 12:57 AM   #22
 
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At least you got your card without getting shot.

Hopefully you dont have to go back
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Old November 8th, 2007, 07:28 AM   #23
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We are issued Ruger P89DAOs. I am not fond of Rugers (don't get me wrong, they are build like tanks and go bang all most every time the trigger is pulled, but they are big and just plain ugly) and the DAO, well if I wanted a revolver I would carry a revolver. So off duty I carry what I grew up on, either a S&W pistol or a 1911.





On the magazine issue.

If it is empty drop it and panic reload. If it has even 1 round in it retain it with a "tactical magazine exchange". TMEs should only be done during a lull in the action and from behind cover. You never know when that one round will come in handy and a full mag is better than a partial if the situation heats back up. Besides, for the share ammo crowd, if another officer is trying to bum your ammo (because he has wasted all of his) you can always give him the less than full one.
 
Old November 8th, 2007, 04:52 PM   #24
 
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My department issues the Ruger P95 :roll:

Or

We can carry a personally owned weapon from an approved list. The range master / instructor can modify the list at will to add firearms.



I carry either the M&P or my Steyr MA1. I also qualified with a Walther P99 but don't carry it often as the manual of arms is so different than most other handguns.



All firearms both on and off duty must be qualified with. We have a seperate qualification for off duty weapons.



We are about to go to quarterly qualifications instead of annual.
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Old November 15th, 2007, 09:20 PM   #25
 
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I am issued a G22 for a duty weapon and I usually carry a G27 off duty. I agree with staying with the same weapon type. I do occasionally carry a 1911. I also have M&P45 on order and will probably carry that as well after I wring it out and qualify with it. I have found that as long as I stay with autos I am fine. I can use a revolver fairly well on the range, but I honestly don't want to spend the time and effort to get as good with a revolver as I am with semi autos. If you ever tried to do a one handed emergency reload of a revolver, you know it's exponentially harder than an auto. I call it "gun juggling" and guns aren't meant to be juggled.



We make our people qualify with on and off duty weapons.
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Old November 17th, 2007, 02:46 AM   #26
 
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On duty I carry the issued M&P40, off duty I usually carry a Glock 32 in .357 Sig. I shoot all the time so familiarity isn't ever an issue, i can grab either one and go to town.
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Our Department requires that we carry a Glock 22 on duty. These are personally owned weapons, so I have quite a few rounds through mine. When I am off duty though, I generally carry a Kimber Ultra Tactical...When I went trough Firearms Instructor school, we had to shoot with duty and off duty weapons, and qualify with both. I actually shot better with the 3" 1911 that my full size Glock.



Our PD requires that you qualify with every wepaon you might to carry on or off duty. Sometimes quals can take a while.
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Old April 15th, 2008, 10:51 AM   #28
 
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We have to qualify with all weapons we carry. I carry my M&P 40 as my main and a S&W airweight for my backup. I see the points that some have made, but I want my backup to be as light and small as possible without compromising too much on the power.
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Old June 6th, 2009, 10:16 AM   #29
 
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I carry the same gun on and off duty (M&P 45). I've had to change my wardrobe around a little, but it 's a small price to pay if I ever get into a gunfight off duty.
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I like to carry similar platforms on and off duty. We have to purchase our own weapons from an aproved list. I used to carry the TSW at work and the 908 off duty. The mags arent interchangeable but the TSW holster fits and they operate and field strip the same. Now I carry the M&P fs on duty and the c off duty. Its nice to be able to use the fs holster and mags when at the range. Maybe its just in my mind but I feel better carrying similar platforms. Oh... and we have to qualify on anything we intend to carry. In fact, an old firearms instructor once told me that even if you are in your home off duty and someone breaks in, always have one of your "work guns" handy. You never know what may have you in court.
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