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Old July 17th, 2009, 06:29 AM   #31
 
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i carry the M&P 45 on duty. i have no choice in this, it is department issued. off duty i carry the glock 30 which is the subcompact in 45.
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Old June 13th, 2010, 05:57 AM   #32
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I have mad it my personal preference to carry off duty what I carry on duty. I am currently carrying my M&P 40 FS.
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Old July 3rd, 2010, 07:16 PM   #33
 
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Ours is Sig 229 on duty and S&W Airweight as BUG and off-duty. That's why they (non-politicos) encourage us to get a CCP and carry what we want.
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Old July 5th, 2010, 04:20 PM   #34
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Unless you have a good reason to select another weapon system, you're generally better off staying with one manual of arms and weapons platform. That tends to simplify training. The M&P Compact certainly seems like a good choice if you'll be carrying the M&P as your service weapon. In addition to having the same manual of arms of your duty gun, the Compact is relatively light-weight and reasonably priced.


From a slightly differing perspective, when I sell back up guns to officers, it's generally the compact/subcompact of the duty weapon they are carrying. Or, it's an LCP which has become very popular as a back up gun. As a recommendation, I will always start with asking what they are carrying as a duty weapon.



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Old July 10th, 2010, 01:27 PM   #35
 
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From a slightly differing perspective, when I sell back up guns to officers, it's generally the compact/subcompact of the duty weapon they are carrying. Or, it's an LCP which has become very popular as a back up gun. As a recommendation, I will always start with asking what they are carrying as a duty weapon.



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We haven't had anyone ask to qualify with a LCP or similiar sized pistol yet. Ohh hand, I think the smallest off-duty/back-up weapons being used are a Walther PPS and a Kahr of some flavor.



I preach using weapons with the same manual of arms on and off duty. New officers ask my opinion on the matter, nod politely, and then go buy a Glock. I can't really blame them. The SIG 239 is much more expensive than a Glock 27 or M&P Compact and has a lower magazine capacity.
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Old December 28th, 2010, 05:33 PM   #36
 
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We've had a few different Chief's over the years, and each one usually changes some things; we've had to qual with primary, secondary, and off duty weapons for years now. Currently, only Sig .40's & .45's are authorized for primary duty. Secondary & off duty generally includes any quality weapon (inspected & approved); .380s are now minimum caliber, no magnums above .357 being authorized.



We emphasize training with whatever is being carried, and you have to qualify. We are available for additional training off the clock, and generally provide that once or twice a month - at a square range, but we utilize a variety of stage designs to work on whatever skills are being covered. Then we finish with a BBQ. Nice.



Dept wise, budgets are interesting, and I'm probably glad that's not my headache.
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Old May 12th, 2011, 03:43 AM   #37
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Interesting topic.



My current set up is



Duty gun: Sig P220R .45

Secondary BUG Ruger LCP .38

Off duty M&P 9c 9mm



Gave up my Glock 23 for ODC. Never was a fan of the .40





It makes sense to carry what your partners carry for magazine compatability and a BUG that fits its bigger brother's mags/ammo. Glock 22/27 is all around perfect for this as I assume would be with the M&P's.



I don't do this myself though.
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Old May 13th, 2011, 12:30 PM   #38
 
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Department setup:



Patrol Division:

HK USP .45 - Remington Golden Saber 230 gr.



DB/Admin/Plainclothes/Traffic/Marine Unit:

HK USP 45 Compact - Remington Golden Saber 230 gr.



**DB/Admin/Plainclothes Units are cleared to substitute department-approved sidearms (Glock, M&P)



Off duty:

No USP 45 - good luck concealing that brick!

Either my M&P45c or HK P30 .40



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Old May 18th, 2011, 03:35 AM   #39
 
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On duty Sig p220, and sorry Sig fans, but the p220 is a piece of sh!t, and if I had a choice I'd drown in it in the deepest lake I could find. I shoot this gun extremely well, but I have had nothing but problems with it, and it's Office wide not just my weapon. I carried a USP .45 with my previous employer, and compared to the USP the p220 is garbage.





Off duty I carry a Glock 26. I don't buy into the carry off duty what you carry on duty. I've never had a problem switching from HK, Glock, Sig, M&P, revolver or single action revolver. I never forget to cock, or decock guns that need it or disable safeties with guns that have them. Now if you're someone who only carries a gun, because your job requires it and you only shoot when your Department/Office requires qualifications you probably need a familiar gun. For those of us, who like me spend a lot of time on the range shooting different guns i just don't think it's necessary. I'm comfortable switching platforms. I know what gun I have in my hand, and as long as I've familiarized myself with it on the range at least once I'm good to go.



My employer requires qualification with on duty, and back up guns. So if you're not going to use it on duty as a back up you don't need to qualify with your off duty. Policy also has a catch all phrase that states you can protect life by any means necessary during off duty situations so you can use what you have at your disposal without worrying about some policy.
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Old May 18th, 2011, 12:47 PM   #40
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You did not just say that about my beloved 220.







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Old May 18th, 2011, 01:23 PM   #41
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You did not just say that about my beloved 220.









Sig before 2005 or so... EXCELLENT

Sig since... Less than excellent.



I think they moved they're production, or swapped management, or both.



From Wiki:

In 1985, SIGARMS Inc. was created as the American branch of SIG in Tysons Corner, Virginia to import the P220 and P230. In 1987 SIGARMS moved to Herndon, Virginia, and in 1990 moved to Exeter, New Hampshire to accommodate new manufacturing.[1]



SIGARMS, and its European sister companies, Sauer & Sohn, Blaser, Mauser Jagdwaffen GmbH and Swiss Arms were bought by Michael Lüke and Thomas Ortmeier in October, 2000. On October 1, 2007 SIGARMS officially changed their name to SIG Sauer Inc.



Today, SIG Sauer is the largest of the five companies and one of the largest firearms manufacturing entities in the world.[1] It is also the fastest growing firearms maker in the United States, expanding its operations and increasing sales nearly 50% since 2005.[citation needed] SIG Sauer has recently tripled its work force and invested eighteen million dollars into state-of-the-art manufacturing facilities and equipment.[1]



Me again:

Quality since has tanked.



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Old May 18th, 2011, 01:40 PM   #42
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We require our members to qualify with backup and off duty weapons.


We do also. The same qualification course as our service weapon for compact and sub compact semi autos and six shot revolvers. There is also a seperate qualification course for 5-shot snubbies.



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Old May 18th, 2011, 01:54 PM   #43
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We have to qualify with all weapons we carry. I carry my M&P 40 as my main and a S&W airweight for my backup. I see the points that some have made, but I want my backup to be as light and small as possible without compromising too much on the power.


I carry the same combo. The reason I like the revolver as a back up weapon is that if I am having to go to it, the brown squishy matter has hit the fan. I could be wounded and only have the use of one arm. The revolver goes bang everytime and you do not have to worry about stoppages as much. I also carry two spare reloads in speed strips when in uniform so that I have extra ammo for it too. Also revolvers are great for contact shots. Off-duty I have carried several different weapons over the years, the thing they have in common are that they are all DOA like my service weapon so muscle memory works the same.



Just my 2 cents worth.



Stay safe.



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Old May 19th, 2011, 01:11 AM   #44
 
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You did not just say that about my beloved 220.









Ya not a fan of Sig QC in any way shape or form. In 5 years with HK the only malfunction I ever had was it didn't like Winchester win clean ammo, and would jam with the one box I bought. It ate everything else with zero malfunctions. In 5 years with Sig, I've had a rusty slide, slide not locking back on empty magazines(and this was not mag related), FTF, FTE with all different types of ammo, and it HATES FMJ with a passion. I shoot it extremely well, and if you can get a Sig that's not a Monday gun like mine it'll definitely put out tight groups.
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Ya not a fan of Sig QC in any way shape or form. In 5 years with HK the only malfunction I ever had was it didn't like Winchester win clean ammo, and would jam with the one box I bought. It ate everything else with zero malfunctions. In 5 years with Sig, I've had a rusty slide, slide not locking back on empty magazines(and this was not mag related), FTF, FTE with all different types of ammo, and it HATES FMJ with a passion. I shoot it extremely well, and if you can get a Sig that's not a Monday gun like mine it'll definitely put out tight groups.
I haven't had any experience with any of the newer Sigs but I have read the later Sigs have dropped in quality which is really a shame because the early Sigs were really fine pistols. Back in the early 90's my old department replaced our Glock 22's with Sig P229's. I retired in 2008 and NOT ONE Sig ever broke during that time. Only issue that I can think of during that time was one officer had a FTF issue which we were able to reproduce it at will. What we found was the officer was inserting a "partially" loaded magazine into the mag well hard enough to cause the slide to go forward and the weight of the rounds would cause the magazine spring to compress enough where the top round wouldn't be stripped off and chambered. It never happened on fully loaded magazines.
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