This is a discussion on On duty/Off duty weapon within the Law Enforcement forums, part of the Armory category; i carry the M&P 45 on duty. i have no choice in this, it is department issued. off duty i carry the glock 30 which ...
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|July 3rd, 2010, 07:16 PM||#33|
Join Date: Jun 2010
Ours is Sig 229 on duty and S&W Airweight as BUG and off-duty. That's why they (non-politicos) encourage us to get a CCP and carry what we want.
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|July 5th, 2010, 04:20 PM||#34|
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Westerville, Ohio
From a slightly differing perspective, when I sell back up guns to officers, it's generally the compact/subcompact of the duty weapon they are carrying. Or, it's an LCP which has become very popular as a back up gun. As a recommendation, I will always start with asking what they are carrying as a duty weapon.
|July 10th, 2010, 01:27 PM||#35|
Join Date: Oct 2007
We haven't had anyone ask to qualify with a LCP or similiar sized pistol yet. Ohh hand, I think the smallest off-duty/back-up weapons being used are a Walther PPS and a Kahr of some flavor.
I preach using weapons with the same manual of arms on and off duty. New officers ask my opinion on the matter, nod politely, and then go buy a Glock. I can't really blame them. The SIG 239 is much more expensive than a Glock 27 or M&P Compact and has a lower magazine capacity.
|December 28th, 2010, 05:33 PM||#36|
Join Date: Nov 2010
We've had a few different Chief's over the years, and each one usually changes some things; we've had to qual with primary, secondary, and off duty weapons for years now. Currently, only Sig .40's & .45's are authorized for primary duty. Secondary & off duty generally includes any quality weapon (inspected & approved); .380s are now minimum caliber, no magnums above .357 being authorized.
We emphasize training with whatever is being carried, and you have to qualify. We are available for additional training off the clock, and generally provide that once or twice a month - at a square range, but we utilize a variety of stage designs to work on whatever skills are being covered. Then we finish with a BBQ. Nice.
Dept wise, budgets are interesting, and I'm probably glad that's not my headache.
|May 12th, 2011, 03:43 AM||#37|
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Between heaven and hell
My current set up is
Duty gun: Sig P220R .45
Secondary BUG Ruger LCP .38
Off duty M&P 9c 9mm
Gave up my Glock 23 for ODC. Never was a fan of the .40
It makes sense to carry what your partners carry for magazine compatability and a BUG that fits its bigger brother's mags/ammo. Glock 22/27 is all around perfect for this as I assume would be with the M&P's.
I don't do this myself though.
|May 13th, 2011, 12:30 PM||#38|
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: People's Republic of NJ :(
HK USP .45 - Remington Golden Saber 230 gr.
HK USP 45 Compact - Remington Golden Saber 230 gr.
**DB/Admin/Plainclothes Units are cleared to substitute department-approved sidearms (Glock, M&P)
No USP 45 - good luck concealing that brick!
Either my M&P45c or HK P30 .40
|May 18th, 2011, 03:35 AM||#39|
Join Date: Apr 2011
On duty Sig p220, and sorry Sig fans, but the p220 is a piece of sh!t, and if I had a choice I'd drown in it in the deepest lake I could find. I shoot this gun extremely well, but I have had nothing but problems with it, and it's Office wide not just my weapon. I carried a USP .45 with my previous employer, and compared to the USP the p220 is garbage.
Off duty I carry a Glock 26. I don't buy into the carry off duty what you carry on duty. I've never had a problem switching from HK, Glock, Sig, M&P, revolver or single action revolver. I never forget to cock, or decock guns that need it or disable safeties with guns that have them. Now if you're someone who only carries a gun, because your job requires it and you only shoot when your Department/Office requires qualifications you probably need a familiar gun. For those of us, who like me spend a lot of time on the range shooting different guns i just don't think it's necessary. I'm comfortable switching platforms. I know what gun I have in my hand, and as long as I've familiarized myself with it on the range at least once I'm good to go.
My employer requires qualification with on duty, and back up guns. So if you're not going to use it on duty as a back up you don't need to qualify with your off duty. Policy also has a catch all phrase that states you can protect life by any means necessary during off duty situations so you can use what you have at your disposal without worrying about some policy.
|May 18th, 2011, 01:23 PM||#41|
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: St Petersburg, FL
Sig before 2005 or so... EXCELLENT
Sig since... Less than excellent.
I think they moved they're production, or swapped management, or both.
In 1985, SIGARMS Inc. was created as the American branch of SIG in Tysons Corner, Virginia to import the P220 and P230. In 1987 SIGARMS moved to Herndon, Virginia, and in 1990 moved to Exeter, New Hampshire to accommodate new manufacturing.
SIGARMS, and its European sister companies, Sauer & Sohn, Blaser, Mauser Jagdwaffen GmbH and Swiss Arms were bought by Michael Lüke and Thomas Ortmeier in October, 2000. On October 1, 2007 SIGARMS officially changed their name to SIG Sauer Inc.
Today, SIG Sauer is the largest of the five companies and one of the largest firearms manufacturing entities in the world. It is also the fastest growing firearms maker in the United States, expanding its operations and increasing sales nearly 50% since 2005. SIG Sauer has recently tripled its work force and invested eighteen million dollars into state-of-the-art manufacturing facilities and equipment.
Quality since has tanked.
|May 18th, 2011, 01:40 PM||#42|
Join Date: May 2010
Location: North Carolina
We do also. The same qualification course as our service weapon for compact and sub compact semi autos and six shot revolvers. There is also a seperate qualification course for 5-shot snubbies.
|May 18th, 2011, 01:54 PM||#43|
Join Date: May 2010
Location: North Carolina
I carry the same combo. The reason I like the revolver as a back up weapon is that if I am having to go to it, the brown squishy matter has hit the fan. I could be wounded and only have the use of one arm. The revolver goes bang everytime and you do not have to worry about stoppages as much. I also carry two spare reloads in speed strips when in uniform so that I have extra ammo for it too. Also revolvers are great for contact shots. Off-duty I have carried several different weapons over the years, the thing they have in common are that they are all DOA like my service weapon so muscle memory works the same.
Just my 2 cents worth.
|May 19th, 2011, 01:11 AM||#44|
Join Date: Apr 2011
Ya not a fan of Sig QC in any way shape or form. In 5 years with HK the only malfunction I ever had was it didn't like Winchester win clean ammo, and would jam with the one box I bought. It ate everything else with zero malfunctions. In 5 years with Sig, I've had a rusty slide, slide not locking back on empty magazines(and this was not mag related), FTF, FTE with all different types of ammo, and it HATES FMJ with a passion. I shoot it extremely well, and if you can get a Sig that's not a Monday gun like mine it'll definitely put out tight groups.
|May 19th, 2011, 08:44 AM||#45|
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Washington State - +-94mi east of the Cascade Curtain
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