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Old August 28th, 2007, 04:28 PM   #1
 
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On duty/Off duty weapon

I know it is always advised that you keep the weapon "system" the same on and off duty.

For example you carry a G22 on duty then you should carry something similiar off duty (G26/27).



What are you thoughts on this subject? I am going to switch over to my newly purchased M&P40 in the next 2.5 months as my on duty. I'm debating on whether or not I should go with a compact model for OD. I know it's going to be a reliable gun (M&P C) but there are so many other choices on the market.. My other choices: XD9SC, Glock 26..
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Old August 28th, 2007, 05:10 PM   #2
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I am not a LEO, but I'll give you my 2 cents. The only cross-over problems I have is when going to a Glock or from a Glock. Grip angle messes me up every time.
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Old August 28th, 2007, 05:38 PM   #3
 
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I am not a LEO, but I'll give you my 2 cents. The only cross-over problems I have is when going to a Glock or from a Glock. Grip angle messes me up every time.
Makes perfect sense. So what's your thought on trigger feel? If I don't go with an M&P compact I feel that the next best alternative would be the XD SC. The grip angle is similiar. I'm not sure on the trigger feel.
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Old August 28th, 2007, 07:46 PM   #4
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The XD trigger is longer, as is the reset. I guess there is a possibility of short stroking it but it's probably not likely. You can send it to Canyon Creek to get the trigger worked on if you're inclined. If I were you, I'd get the M&P for a BUG, but that's because I think they are perfect for carry, whether primary or secondary, and especially since your duty gun will be a M&P.
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Old August 30th, 2007, 06:34 PM   #5
 
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There IS something to be said for commonality among weapons systems. Myself, I switch between a Glock 22 (work), full size M&P, and Kimber Warrior (1911) and I sometimes worry about remembering the deactivate the thumb safety on the 1911 - but I shoot it better than the others and it is very flat to carry. Round and round we go.....
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Old August 31st, 2007, 04:47 AM   #6
 
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i would keep them the same, then again i would carry the fullsize OD.
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Old August 31st, 2007, 06:06 PM   #7
 
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I carry a SIG P229R DAK at work. I carry a Glock 19 while off duty.
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Old September 3rd, 2007, 01:34 PM   #8
 
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I carry on duty M&P 40 ,off duty/backup 40C (for liabilty reasons), and I instruct the same , you should be able to prove in court that you are familiar with your off duty as much as your on duty. We require our officers to also qualify with their off duty/backup just like their on duty and records are maintained as such.



Curious,how many other agencies out there require qualifing with off duty pistol also?
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Old September 3rd, 2007, 01:37 PM   #9
 
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Thanks for the responses. We qualify with our off duty weapons also but it's not the same qualification course as our primary.
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Old September 3rd, 2007, 08:33 PM   #10
 
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I spent years looking for the perfect off duty piece. Glocks, 1911s, J frames, SP101s, Kahrs, other models of SIGs. I came to the realization that I was way better off spending my money on the best concealment leather I could find for what I was already issued. I am issued a SIG P229R. I carry it concealed everyday on and off duty. If I am in an off duty shooting it will be the departments gun that goes off to the crime lab and not my personal weapon. Labs in some places are famous for losing magazines, parts and generally ruining the finish on a weapon. I also have the most trigger time and training with this SIG thereby helping in any civil action.

I own a M&Pc 9mm and it is a great weapon but I just can't bring myself to do much more than shoot it at the range and keeping it handy around the house for my wife. Not because I don't trust it or anything like that. It is just a practical matter of using the weapon I have the most experience with to me.

If you are going to carry a full size M&P on duty then I think your best choice is to carry that off duty as well. Of the pistols you listed though the next best thing IMO would be a compact. You will have magazine commonality with your primary pistol, an action you are familiar with and you can share off duty holsters. It would make a great BUG also!
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Curious,how many other agencies out there require qualifing with off duty pistol also?


We require our members to qualify with backup and off duty weapons.
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Old September 8th, 2007, 09:28 AM   #12
 
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Curious,how many other agencies out there require qualifing with off duty pistol also?


We require our members to qualify with backup and off duty weapons.


I've never worked for an agency that didn't require qualification with weapons one intended to carry "on the badge". In North Carolina Training and Standards requires it. In Virginia, the code only requires that an officer qualify with "a handgun", but every agency I worked for there required qualification with all on and off-duty weapons.



To answer the original question, I work for several different agencies and therefore have several different duty and off-duty weapons. At my full-time job it is an issued M&P40, and I carry a personally owned M&P40 at my part-time job. I carry DAO, DA/SA, and striker fired pistols. The only real constant is that none of them have manual safeties and all of them simply require pulling the trigger to go bang. My primary off duty weapons are my personally owned full-size M&P, a S&W 37-2 Airweight, and a Beretta 92D type M. I also carry a compact M&P from time to time.
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Old September 8th, 2007, 04:35 PM   #13
 
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I really prefer to stick with the same. You want your muscle memory of trigger, handling, and sighting to be automatic. Of course it won't be anyway unless you shoot and practice a lot. My background is military though not LEO.
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Like narcodog, I also have gone through my quest for the best off duty weapon. I agree that finding the best concealment gear for the duty pistol is probably the best idea. My soon to be former issue pistol, Beretta 92fs, is large, but I have on occasion carried it off duty, even in shorts and t-shirt. To be honest though, I have usually found something smaller. The M&P9 that is sitting in the armory waiting to be issued seems like it might just be what I have been waiting for; a duty gun large enough to be easy to shoot and handle, but compact and light enough for 365 day a year carry. I'll let you all know after I've tried it! And yes, my dept., based on Ohio Peace Officer Training Council mandates, requires that we qualify at least once annually with any weapon we use, including long guns, off duty, etc. We do all weapons 3 times a year.
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Old October 24th, 2007, 03:25 PM   #15
 
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Unless you have a good reason to select another weapon system, you're generally better off staying with one manual of arms and weapons platform. That tends to simplify training. The M&P Compact certainly seems like a good choice if you'll be carrying the M&P as your service weapon. In addition to having the same manual of arms of your duty gun, the Compact is relatively light-weight and reasonably priced.
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