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This is a discussion on Issued Duty Rounds within the Law Enforcement forums, part of the Armory category; FWIW, I have a couple of friends who are deputies in a local parish (county) sheriff's office. Their issue ammo is Ultramax hardball reloads, but ...


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Old November 10th, 2007, 05:31 PM   #16
 
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FWIW, I have a couple of friends who are deputies in a local parish (county) sheriff's office. Their issue ammo is Ultramax hardball reloads, but they're allowed to purchase their own ammo as well...how nice. :roll:
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Old November 10th, 2007, 07:34 PM   #17
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Drum roll Please,



Are you ready for this?

We have a winner. Yes it is the Federal Bureau of PRISONS. 35k+ total employees. More than 95% of them qualify for LEO/FF special retirement.



jnc give yourself a big pat on the back.
 
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We have a winner. Yes it is the Federal Bureau of PRISONS. 35k+ total employees. More than 95% of them qualify for LEO/FF special retirement.


That's a bit misleading when we're talking about handgun ammunition selection, though, since only a small fraction of BOP personnel carry loaded pistols at work.



I still say CBP has more pistol-toting feds than any other federal agency and is second only to NYPD overall in the US.
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Houston PD: Pick your own as long as it is a hollowpoint and not armor piercing or "Glaser" like. The staff is not allowed to make specific recommendations on brands and models for liability reasons.
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Old November 11th, 2007, 09:15 AM   #20
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We have a winner. Yes it is the Federal Bureau of PRISONS. 35k+ total employees. More than 95% of them qualify for LEO/FF special retirement.


That's a bit misleading when we're talking about handgun ammunition selection, though, since only a small fraction of BOP personnel carry loaded pistols at work.



I still say CBP has more pistol-toting feds than any other federal agency and is second only to NYPD overall in the US.[/quote]



Well, are they locked into a confined area outnumbered by felons 1500 to 20 for 8 hours a day?

What percentage of them are actually covered LEOs?



Misleading or not look at the numbers. We have more employees in covered positions. Carrying pistols and shooting them are not the same thing. If you want to make a comparison you have to look at rounds expended. With us everyone qualifies except those non-covered employees in the central/regional offices, chaplains, and medical doctors (the 5%). With them only covered employees qualify. 2,000,000 +/- rounds a year is not exactly a small contract. Would you pass that contract by?
 
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jdh -- Border Patrol alone is over 20,000 armed guys at this point, and growing.



While 2mil rounds is a lot, it's nothing compared to what some much smaller agencies shoot. Some agencies with large tac-team programs shoot that much pistol ammo just within their tac teams in a year.



I'm not saying BOP is small or that its people don't shoot. But in terms of gun-carriers or rounds fired, they're certainly not the biggest fed LE agency. And if we're including non-sworn personnel (which I believe you did in your 35,000 number) I think CBP beats that by now, too.
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The last numbers I had access to showed them at 30,600 total sworn, looking to hire another 6000 and projecting losses due to retirement/disability/transfer/and others at about 4000.



The 2M figure was just the amount for annual re-quals and didn't include SORT, DCT, Bus operator, and other special training.



With the way congress is allocation the money it is just a matter of time before CBP is officially the biggest. One of the instructors at the academy had a saying "FBOP, the best kept secret in law enforcement". With the way the BOP budget is going it must still be true. Congress has approved the building of new joints but has not allocated money to staff them. They are giving CBP the money to expand, and I must say it is much needed. If they could stop the flow across the borders we would need so many bed spaces.
 
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jdh -- Understood. Doesn't surprise me, I'm sure Congress thinks the new prisons will just be able to draw people from old ones. After all, we know how massively overstaffed most federal prisons are, right? :?



So 95% of 35,000 is 33,250. Two million divided by 33,250 is about 60 rounds per year per person. That is criminal. And then when some corrections officer makes an imperfect shot in the middle of a crisis they'll blame him.
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Last I heard BOP issued the Ruger 9 or 40 to those armed full time and situationally. I think I heard that SORT carries a Sig though??? Is that true???





We carry the Remington Golden Saber 165 grain in our Glocks, Federal Tactical ( reduced recoil )

in our shotguns, and a round called TAP in our M4's....I think it is Hornady, but I can't remember.
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We carry the Remington Golden Saber 165 grain in our Glocks, Federal Tactical ( reduced recoil )

in our shotguns, and a round called TAP in our M4's....I think it is Hornady, but I can't remember.


That is almost exactly what we carry. Only difference is that we are currently just using xm193 in our M16A1's.



The newer Federal Tactical 00 buck with the Flight Control Wad is the bomb in a 12 guage.
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Iowa State Patrol is 180gr Gold Dot in 40.
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Iowa State Patrol is 180gr Gold Dot in 40.
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Last I heard BOP issued the Ruger 9 or 40 to those armed full time and situationally. I think I heard that SORT carries a Sig though??? Is that true???




9mm only, and the gun depends on what is on contract for the year. When we first transitioned from revolvers to pistols it was the P89DAO so that is what most of us have. Some of the newer facilities got Beretta 92s. The armorer hadn't heard what is on contract this year last I asked. Rumor has Glocks, those of us that know better are hoping for M&Ps.



Sort does have Sigs. There were S&Ws used by some SORT teams. They should have been able to upgrade by now (budget allowing).
 
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