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|May 26th, 2015, 08:13 PM||#1|
Join Date: Apr 2008
Bowling pin ammo suggestions in 9mm?
I know I'm putting myself at a disadvantage by shooting bowling pins with 9mm, but wanted to see if anyone else has been successful at bowling pin matches with a 9mm. I'm using a full size 9 with Berry's plated 124 grain round nose bullets, and I'm successful early on in the matches until we start getting into the quarter finals and I usually get eliminated by someone else shooting a 45. I'm getting good hits, but I think the pins are just accumulating so much lead and aren't smooth so they fall over and don't roll far enough to clear the table.
Before anyone says to get a 40 or 45, I figured that I should throw out there that while it would be nice to win, I shoot the matches to challenge myself and keep my skills up. The only handgun powder that I have right now is Winchester 231, but I'm hoping to find another bullet that would work better with this powder. I would ideally like to keep using a jacketed or plated bullet, but I will go to lead if that's the way to go.
I saw one manufacturer makes 165 grain jacketed 9mm bullets, but I don't think I would be able to put enough powder behind it to make it worthwhile with how long the bullets are.
Last edited by ScubaBoy; May 26th, 2015 at 11:54 PM.
|May 27th, 2015, 05:56 PM||#2|
Join Date: Apr 2015
In engines, there is no substitute for cubic inches
In bullets, there is no substitute for weight
If the .45 guys are walking the dog on this type match, you answered your own question.
Two matches ago (USPSA) another shooter was running M&P9 and I was running my M&P40.. When it came to knocking down steel poppers, he had to hit one twice to drop them, mine fell with one shot each (180gr Berrys).
I threw this video together just for you!
Lastly, if you can cabbage up some Alliant Power Pistol it runs *GREAT* in all my 9mm,40,45,38 AND 357 loads!
|May 28th, 2015, 07:26 AM||#3|
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: St Petersburg, FL
If you reload, you can get 160gr bullets for a 9mm. Load them to max safe pressure... Enjoy.
After you STILL get beat my a 45... go buy a 45. (For bowling pins)
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|April 20th, 2016, 08:42 PM||#4|
Join Date: Mar 2008
I do pretty good with 9mm. I use 147 grain hollow points and hit the pin in the upper half. Seems like hp do a hair better than round nose.
|April 20th, 2016, 08:49 PM||#5|
Join Date: Sep 2006
|April 21st, 2016, 05:29 AM||#6|
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Central Maine
When it comes to pins momentum will always do better. You know you're at a disadvantage by using a lightweight bullet. Velocity won't make up for the lack of mass that you aren't slinging. The answer? More mass. You already stated the answer in your story/question. More mass. If you must stay with a 9mm then go with the heaviest bullet you can get (Xtreme makes a 165) and push them as fasta s you can.
When Rich Davis was doing his pin shoots in Central Lake, MI, there were gents there doing a good job with .38s. They were using an incredibly heavy bullet for the cartridge, 200 grains if I remember correctly, and they were just as effective as the .45s. They could also use sharp edged bullets which allowed them to better grab the tough plastic coated pins. If you can find a truncated cone heavy 9mm, and don't overlook resized .38 slugs, that's probably the best you can do.
I load 160 with Power Pistol, but I'm making powderpuff loads designed to only make Minor PF. But they can be loaded up with PP too. It would be best if you had a pressure barrel as you'll be doing things not normally done.
Maybe this article will help. At least it's a start.
Reloading Heavy Bullets in 9mm Luger - Shooting Times
You already know that your bullet placement must be perfect, and even then it's a crap shoot as you just don't have the mass required to do the job effectively. Even with a 165 you're at a severe disadvantage. If I shot pins a lot I wouldn't get a .40 or .45; I'd get a .50 semi-auto 1911, or a .460 Rowland.
|May 1st, 2016, 09:26 AM||#8|
Join Date: Mar 2008
Bowling pin Vfinal for 1.5kg pin:
147 @ 850fps: 5.63 fps
147 @ 950fps: 5.99 fps
147 @ 1050fps: 6.63 fps
180 @ 1000fps: 7.72fps
230 @ 850fps: 8.63fps
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