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Old February 3rd, 2017, 09:13 PM   #1
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Cheaper to Buy Ammo than Reload Right Now !!!

Is anyone else finding that it's cheaper to buy 9mm, 40 S&W, and 45 ACP ammo in bulk lots than it is to reload with these prices?

I'm finding 9mm for 20 cents a piece ... 40 for 24 cents a piece .... and 45 ACP for 32 cents a piece!

At these prices ... I would waste money reloading!!!
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Old February 3rd, 2017, 11:18 PM   #2
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That's what I found. But what I give up is tailoring the ammo to my likes.

For instance, no one makes powder puff minor PF loads with a 160/165 grain bullet and that's what I shoot in competition.
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Old February 4th, 2017, 05:58 AM   #3
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When I figured it out last time, for coated 9mm I was at 11 cents around. I am now loading plated, so a couple of cents more.

.223 in 55 grain Hornady was just over 21 cents around.

All of the above costs were figured without the cost of brass. I have access to it for free or have so much from the past.

I buy in bulk and on sale.
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Old February 4th, 2017, 06:24 AM   #4
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When I figured it out last time, for coated 9mm I was at 11 cents around. I am now loading plated, so a couple of cents more.

.223 in 55 grain Hornady was just over 21 cents around.

All of the above costs were figured without the cost of brass. I have access to it for free or have so much from the past.

I buy in bulk and on sale.
I went back and did the math for the updated components:

Powder 0.0228
Bullet 0.119
Primer 0.03

Xtreme 230 grain bullet over 5.7 Grains of BE-86 using Federal LPP

17.18 cents per round

The Federals were 30/1000 and I got the CCIs normally 27/1000
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Old February 4th, 2017, 06:36 AM   #5
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I reload because my reloads are far more accurate than the cheap factory stuff. And nobody wants to spend the money for premium ammo, (including me) because it is way to high in price. I carry Federal HST in all my CCW guns... @$30 a box for 20 rounds, ouch..! I have tons of brass, so no worries for me there either. I also make my own bullets too, lead as well as jacketed. I can buy plated bullets (9mm) for sometimes as low as .06 cents per bullet. Just have to shop around. When i buy plated bullets, i`ll buy 10,000 in bulk at a time... thats where the savings are really at. It also helps to buy your powder in bulk too. If you shoot alot, and your buying it in the 1lb cans, your wasting ALOT of money. Even if the price`s to reload were to jump above the factory loaded stuff, i would still reload my own... its the satisfaction you get when you shoot your own produced ammo and it goes boom, not to mention again, the accuracy is better once you find the load that works.
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You have to figure time and labor involved. Plus all of the equipment, press, scales, brass cleaners etc involved.

For the average shooter, it was never cheaper to reload if you figure all of the startup cost. But you can taylor the load for accuracy. Something you can't do with factory ammo.
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I think for the most part, old timers like myself, have been reloading for eon`s. (yup, i`m older than dirt...lol) I bought alot of my reloading equipment many years ago. For someone today, to jump into reloading their own, they suffer from sticker shock, and thats just to get started in this awesome hobby. Also for someone who does not shoot alot, it makes no sense for them to get into reloading. Those are the guys you want to know....BRASS BABY, I LOVE PICKING UP THEIR EMPTY BRASSSSSSS. Once fired empty brass is like gold to a reloader...lol. You have to look past the price of equipment if you really love doing it. Does it ever pay for itself...yes, it does, satisfaction.
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You have to figure time and labor involved. Plus all of the equipment, press, scales, brass cleaners etc involved.

For the average shooter, it was never cheaper to reload if you figure all of the startup cost. But you can taylor the load for accuracy. Something you can't do with factory ammo.
I dont figure in the labor & time because its a hobby, not a business. Yes sometimes costly, sometimes, not.
And you are exactly right.... taylor your loads for accuracy, thats exactly the main reason why most of us do it.
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Reloading is really a hobby unto itself. I enjoy it for the most part. As others have said, you can make more accurate ammo for one's firearm than factory.

Plus it really opens up the variety of ammo one can shoot. I can shoot up some low recoiling range ammo. I can also load up some full house 2400 in 44 mag that shoots massive fireballs that brings a smile to my face.

In the end, I think reloading does not really save one money. I just shoot more knowing it is cheaper and I can just walk over and grab a couple of hundred or even a thousand rounds without the sticker shock at checkout.
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Reloading is really a hobby unto itself. I enjoy it for the most part. As others have said, you can make more accurate ammo for one's firearm than factory.

Plus it really opens up the variety of ammo one can shoot. I can shoot up some low recoiling range ammo. I can also load up some full house 2400 in 44 mag that shoots massive fireballs that brings a smile to my face.

In the end, I think reloading does not really save one money. I just shoot more knowing it is cheaper and I can just walk over and grab a couple of hundred or even a thousand rounds without the sticker shock at checkout.
There ya go hawk, thats somewhat how i look at it too... its just a ton of fun any way you wanna look at it...lol. I dont really care what i spend on reloading, its the results i get from it. When the factories can make a load more accurate than mine, for the same money, or less money, i`ll start buying more of it. But, for now, i dont see that happening anytime to soon. Some go camping, some watch football, some spend thousands of dollars on some things and nothing to show for it. One day, i believe ammo will be gone, and i dont think its that far away... but the select few of us, that reload, we will have ammo. What will it be worth to us, then.
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Again .... Geco and Fiocchi are just as 'accurate' as any shooter can make themselves. At $9.99 a box of 50 ... you can't beat it with a stick! Considering you'd have to spend an hour on a Dillon loading 1000 rounds and it would cost you $5 more!

For the record .... Geco uses Vihtavuori powder. Verified!

I don't know about Fiocchi, but I do know Geco is manufactured in Switzerland where Norma and Vihtavuori powders are the norm.

Fiocchi is an unknown, because I don't know if they load their pistol ammo in Hungary or the U.S.

So, figure the price of Vihtavuori (Ultra Premium) powder into your reloading 'Calculator' and the savings are above and beyond what Hodgdon, Alliant, and Winchester powders offer.

For the record ... it's not uncommon for European Ammo companies to use Premium powders in their loads. After all ... they can get canister prices from the manufacturers over there that we can't get here and vice versa. Another ammo that is 'Verified' to use Vihtavuori powder is Wolf brand 22 Lr. Match.

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Again .... Geco and Fiocchi are just as 'accurate' as any shooter can make themselves. At $9.99 a box of 50 ... you can't beat it with a stick! Considering you'd have to spend an hour on a Dillon loading 1000 rounds and it would cost you $5 more!

For the record .... Geco uses Vihtavuori powder. Verified!

I don't know about Fiocchi, but I do know Geco is manufactured in Switzerland where Norma and Vihtavuori powders are the norm.

Fiocchi is an unknown, because I don't know if they load their pistol ammo in Hungary or the U.S.

So, figure the price of Vihtavuori (Ultra Premium) powder into your reloading 'Calculator' and the savings are above and beyond what Hodgdon, Alliant, and Winchester powders offer.

For the record ... it's not uncommon for European Ammo companies to use Premium powders in their loads. After all ... they can get canister prices from the manufacturers over there that we can't get here and vice versa. Another ammo that is 'Verified' to use Vihtavuori powder is Wolf brand 22 Lr. Match.
I dont know about anybody else, but Vihtavuori powder comes at a VERY premium price tag where i live. (most the time, nobody stocks it here where i live in NY mainly because its to expensive) I`ve also used Vihtavuori powder quite a few times too, it dosent shoot any better than what other powders are available at half the price around here. Geco factory ammo isnt here in my area either. No LGS wants to stock it. Fiocchi is available here where i live, but it will run you $14 per 50 rounds. And Fiocchi dosent shoot good in ANY 9mm i own. My wife, who is an excellent markman with pistols, Fiocchi dosent shoot good for her either.

So i respectfully disagree... for the record.

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Old February 5th, 2017, 06:30 AM   #13
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My reloaded lead round nose 9mm and 45 acp rounds are typically around .10 a round. This of course accounts reusing the brass quite a bit.


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