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What Kind Of Mechanical Accuracy Can I Expect From A 40c

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Old December 10th, 2016, 08:54 AM   #1
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What Kind Of Mechanical Accuracy Can I Expect From A 40c

The title pretty much says it all.

Not looking for the "It's more accurate than I am" answers, though I'm sure I will get a few.

But if an experienced shooter were to rest it, or it were locked in a vice, what size groups should I expect at 25 yards?

I have guns that will do under 2 inches and that is "sort of" my standard.

The MP 40c w/thumb safety has pretty much everything I'm looking for in a concealed carry gun, but the 9c I used to own shot minute of a barn door at 15 yards and I'm still a little skeptical.

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Old December 10th, 2016, 01:42 PM   #2
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When the M&P came out it was specified to deliver 3" groups at 25 yards, for average factory ammunition.

With high end ammunition like Black Hills you can expect 1.5” groups or even better.

Todd was still getting 2” groups after 59,000 rounds, with the early version 5 groove right hand twist 1:18.75" twist barrel.

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Old December 11th, 2016, 12:25 PM   #3
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When the M&P came out it was specified to deliver 3" groups at 25 yards, for average factory ammunition.

With high end ammunition like Black Hills you can expect 1.5 groups or even better.

Todd was still getting 2 groups after 59,000 rounds, with the early version 5 groove right hand twist 1:18.75" twist barrel.

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Thank you.

Do you know if the comapct .40's live up to that standard?
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Here's a target from my Pro Series 9mm, 30 shots offhand at 25 yards. Naturally the more shots the bigger the group, and as mentioned this is 30 shots, so no mealy mouth 3 shot group! Also, I'm 70 years old, not too bad for an old fart!
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They are just as accurate as any other compact. I will say that I have seen some of them come from the factory with sights that visually are off. Mine was one of them. They are supposed to be factory sighted when leaving the factory. I was shooting high right with mine and I could see that the sights were off. Had them adjusted, which is a b!t@# if you don't have the right pusher. Brought the aim back down, and using more of the tip of my trigger finger, brought my groups back down to tolerable.
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You do realize that 25 yards is 75 feet? That is well beyond what most combat pistols would be used in a self defense situation. However, accuracy at that distance with most any similar build pistol should be close to same.
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Some people seem to forget that compacts are not target pistols. They are for protection. Want 2" groups at 100 yds? Get a rifle..........
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Here's a target from my Pro Series 9mm, 30 shots offhand at 25 yards. Naturally the more shots the bigger the group, and as mentioned this is 30 shots, so no mealy mouth 3 shot group! Also, I'm 70 years old, not too bad for an old fart!
That would be an excellent group for 30 rounds even if you were just a little whipper snapper!

Nice shooting.
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Some people seem to forget that compacts are not target pistols. They are for protection. Want 2" groups at 100 yds? Get a rifle..........
I will settle for 8 inch groups at 100 yards.

But seriously, I don't know the range my fight will be at and I don't want to be limited by my equipment any more than necessary.

Andy Brown's fight was at 60 yards (against a man armed with a rifle).

Plus, I just like accurate guns and I like challenging myself to make hits at ranges beyond 7 - 10 yards.

When I was younger I had a friend who could shoot 6 - 8 inch groups at 25 yards all day long with a j-frame. He was something of an inspiration.

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This is a well known case wherein a good guy armed with only a Beretta M92 puts a active shooter face down in the dirt during a deadly rifle assault at 70 yards.

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This is a well known case wherein a good guy armed with only a Beretta M92 puts a active shooter face down in the dirt during a deadly rifle assault at 70 yards.

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An M92 has a much better configuration for longer distance than a compact. And, long shots can be made with compacts if the shooter has practiced for it. Ain't denying that.
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I will settle for 8 inch groups at 100 yards.

When I was younger I had a friend who could shoot 6 - 8 inch groups at 25 yards all day long with a j-frame. He was something of an inspiration.
Nothing wrong with aspiring to be more accurate! Its just my thought process works with statistical evidence more so than with coincidental. Statistically long range pistol fights don't happen.

But, that said, I have myself shot 3 to 6 inch groups at 50 yards with a 1911. I cannot do that with my M&P 40 full size nor the M&P Shield.
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This is a well known case wherein a good guy armed with only a Beretta M92 puts a active shooter face down in the dirt during a deadly rifle assault at 70 yards.

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A little more on this as we had Andy at a book signing at our LGS this past weekend. He was trained and effective in his shooting, but it was more than just the training. In that situation there was as much 'fate,' 'luck' or the 'Hand of God' that played into the shots. In the same situation with all the training in the world, I am not sure even the best marksman could settle the nerves and isolate any emotion enough to pull off that type of shot. We can all be accurate with many hours of training, but rarely have the emotion involved that would be felt in the situation. For most of us, the compact is for self protection and 'protection accuracy' is probably pretty different than 'target accuracy.' I just hope that if I ever need it, I have good 'protection accuracy.'
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I have read many times that the typical distance for a gunfight is less than 10 feet.

I still do most of my training from 25 yards, if you can deal with 25 yards you will do well at shorter distances.
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