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Old January 30th, 2017, 08:54 AM   #16
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I have been doing alot of dry firing, practicing draw and shoot with snap caps, changing magazines, etc. and this is by far the worst trigger I have ever had from a smith and wesson firearm....my shield trigger feels like a apex trigger compared to the 9c...
Maybe you've got a bit of a manufacturing defect in the gun, any shavings or rough edges on the engagement surfaces?
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Old January 30th, 2017, 10:28 AM   #17
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What's 'wrong' with the M&P's? The trigger isn't a 1911 but, people get so hung up on trigger weight instead of learning how to shoot a less than 1911ish trigger... I'm not saying the apex stuff isn't cool, my dad has one of each of their kits in two of his guns and it is definitely an improvement but, I wouldn't say that there is anything 'wrong' with the M&P inherently.
Unless it is a MA M&P trigger .. But then any MA trigger is awful
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Old January 30th, 2017, 12:50 PM   #18
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Maybe you've got a bit of a manufacturing defect in the gun, any shavings or rough edges on the engagement surfaces?
I thought the same thing, took it apart and cleaned very well, and no shavings. I think maybe my expectations were a little higher than they should of been. I will keep firing, practicing, and trying to get a feel for it, and if that doesn't work, I will take to a gunsmith and see what we can do for it...
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Old January 30th, 2017, 01:23 PM   #19
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I thought the same thing, took it apart and cleaned very well, and no shavings. I think maybe my expectations were a little higher than they should of been. I will keep firing, practicing, and trying to get a feel for it, and if that doesn't work, I will take to a gunsmith and see what we can do for it...
If you're so inclined, take some pictures of the sear, striker and drop safety plunger up close, maybe we can help you notice something. Also try going back to the shop you bought it from and explain the situation, try pulling the trigger on some other M&P's they have there, this should give you an idea pretty quick if there is an issue with your gun.
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Old January 30th, 2017, 01:27 PM   #20
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I am sure this has been brought up and beaten to death, but I hate my 9c trigger, it is super gritty, so bad that even my wife could feel it, and she knows nothing about handguns. What would you guys suggest, take to gunsmith and let him polish it first and see how that goes, and if that doesnt work, maybe a Apex upgrade? I hate to say it but I love my shields trigger compared to this one....Any and all advice greatly welcomed and appreciated!!! Also, how about Trump....he has done more in a week than Obama did in 8 years, and the Libtards are still dogging him, the same ones who preach acceptance and understanding, snowflake liberal licking losers!!!!!
My 9c was a bit heavy and gritty. I did a little polishing of the plunger and stirrup (never removed the plunger to do it correctly) and only installed an Apex sear. The trigger feels great now and all the grittiness is gone.

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Old January 30th, 2017, 05:07 PM   #21
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Better than the apex kit...??? I`d like to meet the gunsmith that can do that, using the stock OEM standard M&P parts, without milling, grinding, welding ANY of the OEM parts...lol. A simple polish & tune job will help the M&P`s quite a bit, but it can never match what the apex parts can do. Yes, absolutely, apex is a GREAT company, and A+ parts. I just hope they don`t sell their souls to the devil.
I have went both routes. His trigger work is usually cheaper than full blown Apex and is really about the same if not better. Also remember, Apex is more than just M&P's. They sell revo stuff too. I have put their kits in revolvers,

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Dwight tunes pretty much all of the competition shooters in our area.

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I still like Apex and I really wish S&W would just use their parts and be done with it.
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If you have a quality smith in your area that works on M&P's, they can make the trigger as good if not better than an Apex kit. Our local one tunes most of the local competitors guns.

An Apex kit will also solve the problem and is DIY. Great parts and company!
^ this. I am lucky to have a very good gunsmith somewhat local to me. (Greg Der of DerrPrecision) he did the trigger on my shield and my 9C. No Apex needed unless you want to change out the actual trigger itself. Mass triggers are all 10 pound pulls so the gunsmiths in these parts get lots of practice fixing them. My shield is a 6 pound pull(I carry that one a lot and didn't want a hair trigger on it (no safety))
My 9C has a smooth 5 pound trigger on it with a much shorter take up and a better reset than when new. Both jobs were cheaper than Apex kits as well.
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^ this. I am lucky to have a very good gunsmith somewhat local to me. (Greg Der of DerrPrecision) he did the trigger on my shield and my 9C. No Apex needed unless you want to change out the actual trigger itself. Mass triggers are all 10 pound pulls so the gunsmiths in these parts get lots of practice fixing them. My shield is a 6 pound pull(I carry that one a lot and didn't want a hair trigger on it (no safety))
My 9C has a smooth 5 pound trigger on it with a much shorter take up and a better reset than when new. Both jobs were cheaper than Apex kits as well.
My lightest M&P trigger with Apex parts is <2 1/2 pounds (range only).

My others run between 3 1/4 and 4 1/2 pounds for carry.

For carry, I use the Apex sear and striker block, while keeping the stock trigger, striker and trigger return springs.

No problems for me there, as that's what my 1911 trigger pulls run, and I've been shooting/carrying them for 30 years now.
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Save your money, flip the slide over, and clean out the area where the small plunger sits. This Apex trigger stuff just slays me................do you people really need things to be that easy? Just get used to the trigger, like any other firearm. If it isn't strictly for range use, you'll never notice the trigger if you have to use it. Some people just can't leave well enough alone. Friggen $400 gun, put a $150 dollar trigger, and $100 night sights, and you have a $650 dollar firearm that's still worth $400. Want a better trigger, and better sights? Go buy an HK like I did. Then you'll quit complaining about your $400 S&W. It is what it is................................................ ............
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Save your money, flip the slide over, and clean out the area where the small plunger sits. This Apex trigger stuff just slays me................do you people really need things to be that easy? Just get used to the trigger, like any other firearm. If it isn't strictly for range use, you'll never notice the trigger if you have to use it. Some people just can't leave well enough alone. Friggen $400 gun, put a $150 dollar trigger, and $100 night sights, and you have a $650 dollar firearm that's still worth $400. Want a better trigger, and better sights? Go buy an HK like I did. Then you'll quit complaining about your $400 S&W. It is what it is................................................ ............
The more I thought about your comment, the more I agree with it. I am going to force myself to get use to it, and become proficient with what I have. Love the gun, love the feel and looks of it, got the FDE version.
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The more I thought about your comment, the more I agree with it. I am going to force myself to get use to it, and become proficient with what I have. Love the gun, love the feel and looks of it, got the FDE version.
Yea I thought that way too for a while. The first year I had my M&P9c I ran it stock. I put a little over 1700 rounds through it and thought I was pretty good with it. Then I got a little Kahr .380 mouse gun. After a month I was more accurate with it than my M&P9c. It was crazy. I decided to try the APEX I had heard so much about. Well it was night and day difference in how well I shot. I now shoot the M&P9c more accurately than any other pistol I have. Truth be told, at self defense distances I was probably fine with the way it was. But there is also a psychological effect. A gun that does not shoot as well as others, you probably will not shoot as much (because it is not as fun). Thus you end up practicing less with it. I say if you have the money go ahead and do the APEX. If you don't, then keep trying with the stock. It will smooth out some. For me, I really wish I would have just put the APEX kit on when I first got the gun (I actually had the money when I first got the gun but was scared to try the kit by myself. After watching a couple of videos I purchased a $15 punch set and had no problems putting it in).

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I also own a Kahr................2 totally different firearms. I can shoot my Kahr and my M&P. You just need time with the M&P trigger. I have found that when I use the tip of my finger, my accuracy gets so much better. It's the way the trigger was designed. I am more accurate with several of my other compact firearms versus my M&PC, but it is what it is. It's not a target firearm, it's a defensive firearm. Do I have confidence that it will go bang, and do what I need it to do, and be accurate enough to take care of the issue? Yes. Will the trigger be a problem? Doubt it, and you won't remember anyway. Striker fired firearms aren't even my thing. I like da/sa. I use different firearms for different situations. Personally, I would much prefer to put money in to a better firearm that I would never sell.
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Just spoke with a local gunsmith, and he said he can do what he calls a half trigger job, said it gets rid of the grittiness, and lowers the trigger pull about 1 pound. He charges $75.00 bucks for this, so now I am torn, give my gun up for 2 weeks for him to tweak the trigger, or just live with what I have, or break down and buy a Apex kit, and lose my gun for 2 weeks also. Why can a company like Smith and Wesson just give us a good trigger to start, its not like these guns are cheap!!!! I paid $489.00 for mine, no that's not real expensive, but its also not real cheap...It sucks that I have to do anything, thanks Smith and Wesson, but this is by far the worst trigger I have ever used...
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I was one of the lucky ones I guess, because I've never had a grittiness issue. Sponginess, yes, grit no. I think you should just give the trigger some shooting time. Then, If you're still not satisfied, spend the money, if you can't do it yourself, and get some trigger help. S&W isn't the only manufacturer to put out less than stellar triggers. I just feel that for social work, the trigger is fine. There are videos out there that explain how to remove the small plunger on the bottom of the slide. Stuff likes to accumulate there from the factory, in the small chamber that the plunger rides in, metal shavings, grit, etc. If you don't want to attempt this, I am sure that this is probably the first place a gunsmith would look at to/start.

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The apex stuff is smoother but, how much did it improve your IDPA scores to install it? I'm not saying that sitting around in the living room that the M&P triggers don't leave a bit to be desired but, in the hands of a skilled operator shooting derisive minded games and drills, does the enhancement translate to better scores?
No, but I have a lot of shooting experience with DA rebolvers and DA/SA autos, so I can shoot pretty much anything effectively.

That said, I didn't do the upgrades to play games better. Same as with my 1911's; I enjoy working on pistols, and perform upgrades to make them better.
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