M&P 9mm FS Frame Sag

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Old February 27th, 2009, 09:29 PM   #1
 
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So, I have been waiting to finally pick up my FS 9 from my FFL and I finally received it today. Unfortunately, the frame looks like crap and has a nasty sag up towards the end of the barrel. I have seen this in other pictures and I know some people have had it too.



It is just frustrating that S&W would allow that many of these guns to get past QA. I like S&W, but I have to send my gun back before I even get a chance to shoot it once.



It looks like this...
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Old February 27th, 2009, 09:31 PM   #2
 
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the frame doesn't sag. it's an illusion between the slide and frame. the front end on the slide tapers up and this makes the frame look like it sags.
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Old February 27th, 2009, 09:32 PM   #3
 
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the frame doesn't sag. it's an illusion between the slide and frame. the front end on the slide tapers up and this makes the frame look like it sags.




well I can push it up from the bottom and there is a ton of play. It moves back in to position
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Old February 27th, 2009, 09:34 PM   #4
 
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well I can push it up from the bottom and there is a ton of play. It moves back in to position




do you have a ruler?
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Old February 27th, 2009, 09:35 PM   #5
 
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Do all the frames look like the picture? I haven't seen a ton of them
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Yes, but I'm at work still so I can't measure it. What is it supposed to measure distance wise?
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Old February 27th, 2009, 09:38 PM   #7
 
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Yes, but I'm at work still so I can't measure it. What is it supposed to measure distance wise?




ok, maybe this will help some.



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Old February 27th, 2009, 09:45 PM   #8
 
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Do all the frames look like the picture? I haven't seen a ton of them




yes, though the compacts and mid-size aren't as prominent. the reason those aren't as prominent is because the slides are shorter and the taper isn't as noticeable on the slide so it won't contrast against the frame to create the illusion. the frame is perfectly straight as is the slide but the front of the slide tapers up at the nose as a part of the design and this makes the frame look like it bends.
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Old February 27th, 2009, 09:47 PM   #9
 
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yes, though the compacts and mid-size aren't as prominent. the reason those aren't as prominent is because the slides are shorter and the taper isn't as noticeable on the slide so it won't contrast against the frame to create the illusion. the frame is perfectly straight as is the slide but the front of the slide tapers up at the nose as a part of the design and this makes the frame look like it bends.


I understand the video, but why does the frame move up into position with little force? It also looks worse than the one on the video
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Old February 27th, 2009, 09:48 PM   #10
 
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Originally Posted by Bmoney13' post='192787' date='Feb 28 2009, 01:29 AM
So, I have been waiting to finally pick up my FS 9 from my FFL and I finally received it today. Unfortunately, the frame looks like crap and has a nasty sag up towards the end of the barrel. I have seen this in other pictures and I know some people have had it too.



It is just frustrating that S&W would allow that many of these guns to get past QA. I like S&W, but I have to send my gun back before I even get a chance to shoot it once.



It looks like this...


When you send your FS9 back to S&W, make sure you let them know that they also engraved your FS9 slide with 45 markings as well as mistakenly dropping your FS9 frame in a 45 mold. I can't believe they let this pistol past QA, that would never happen with a Glock or SA. You must be outraged. I imagine that you'll have failure to feed, fire and eject issues as well if you attempt to shoot it before sending it back.
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Old February 27th, 2009, 09:50 PM   #11
 
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When you send your FS9 back to S&W, make sure you let them know that they also engraved your FS9 slide with 45 markings as well as mistakenly dropping your FS9 frame in a 45 mold. I can't believe they let this pistol past QA, that would never happen with a Glock or SA. You must be outraged. I imagine that you'll have failure to feed, fire and eject issues as well if you attempt to shoot it before sending it back.


HAHA, yeah I am at work and picked up the gun before work, so I don't have access to a camera. I said that is what it "looks" like. Mine is a 9mm.
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Old February 27th, 2009, 09:52 PM   #12
 
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If I am wrong and it is how it is supposed to look that is fine, but I saw some at the local gun shop that were not nearly that bad
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When you send your FS9 back to S&W, make sure you let them know that they also engraved your FS9 slide with 45 markings as well as mistakenly dropping your FS9 frame in a 45 mold. I can't believe they let this pistol past QA, that would never happen with a Glock or SA. You must be outraged. I imagine that you'll have failure to feed, fire and eject issues as well if you attempt to shoot it before sending it back.




LOL
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Old February 27th, 2009, 10:00 PM   #14
 
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I understand the video, but why does the frame move up into position with little force? It also looks worse than the one on the video




well here's the gun i used in the video.



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Old February 27th, 2009, 10:07 PM   #15
 
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[attachment=889:Frame_Sag.jpg]



My 18 month pistol Ser MPN5XXX appears to have some "frame sag". It's probably related to the frame rail stubs in the middle and rear of the pistol and the lockup. I shoot between 200-1000 rounds per month through it. I've never had any type of failure. Personally, I wouldn't sweat it. It won't effect the function of the pistol. I didn't notice mine until I checked after seeing the thread.
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Old February 28th, 2009, 05:27 AM   #16
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I have a FS9 and the frame also looks like it falls away a little at the front. I have never actually cared and don't think there's any reason to, since it's got about 3,500 rounds through it now and it's performed flawlessly. I think this is just the nature of the beast with the polymer. It's kind of "cantilevered" out there, if you will. I wouldn't put too much thought into it.
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Old February 28th, 2009, 07:28 AM   #17
 
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Guys, you're going to have some degree of upward angle betweeen slide and frame on any autopistol regardless of frame material. Think about it: on service grade pistols you have a certain amount of clearance between the slide and frame rails. This allows the slide to move side to side and up and down in relation to the frame. Now you put a spring in the lower front of the slide which pushes the slide forward (and the front up) and you have some sort of camming action to force the barrel and slide upward from the frame. The result is that the front of the slide will almost always point upward somewhat from the frame. The recent trend to dustcovers that reach further toward the muzzle makes the situation more obvious.



To be fair, some frames I've seen are somewhat warped.
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Old February 28th, 2009, 11:21 AM   #18
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You're not seeing "sag" you're seeing a designed-in gap that allows the pistol to operate regardless of extremes of heat. Below is a picture I took just now of one of my M&P9 pistols. It has 62,389 rounds through it presently. It has had a total of two stoppages in that entire time (three if you count the trigger spring breaking). It still consistently shoots under 2" groups at 25yd.







Depending on the angle of the photo and the lighting, the gap can look bigger or smaller. But it isn't a problem and certainly not something that should get a reaction of "the frame looks like crap" and accusing Smith's QC of making mistakes.
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I understand the video, but why does the frame move up into position with little force? It also looks worse than the one on the video


Any grown human should be able to flex plastic.
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Old February 28th, 2009, 11:50 AM   #20
 
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this topic is weird, you can show people that the frame does not bend at all and it is perfectly straight instead it is the slide with the upwards taper towards the muzzle and people will still say the frames are warped. it is the slide with the up-cut which makes the frame look as if it sags. the frames do not sag, bend, hang, drop, droop, slope, curve, fall, flop, bow, decline, etc... the slides taper up towards the muzzle and they were designed to do that, it is not a flaw or lack of quality.



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