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Old August 1st, 2016, 01:31 PM   #1
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M&P9 4.25" First Time Out

Took my new M&P to an indoor range and put 100 rounds through it. Was fun shooting it but was all over the place. I'm getting older so my eyes are getting worse and could not see the front site to get an accurate shot. I'm sure that using progressive lenses did not help. Spent most of the time concentrating on seeing the front sight. I also need to work on my trigger management which I'm sure didn't help.

I definitely need a bigger front site that I can see because the stock one is not working for me at all. While doing some searches, I found the "See All Open Site with Tritium" and I'm thinking of getting it.

Wanted to know if anybody is using this site on their M&P.

Below is a picture of the target I last shot today. The circle is the group with a line going to where I was aiming. The once consistency was they were all low and to the right.

Any help is appreciated.

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Old August 2nd, 2016, 05:22 AM   #2
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I've read good things about it, but have never used one myself. Optics are magical for older eyes. That's what has allowed me to get back into competitive shooting. I said, "Screw it! I'm shooting again even if I compete in the open division without an open gun!". So I bought a M&P CORE and was setting it up to shoot in open div', but ti really wouldn't have been an open gun. It would have merely had an optic and ports. Then USPSA announced Carry Optics and I decided that my gun would be better suited there.

Please let us know how the See All sight works for you. I have a RM06 on mine, but I'm intrigued by the See All. I like that it's basically a wide open slide and what is seen is where I expect the sight picture to be seen. I think it will install in your rear sight dovetail with no modifications, correct?
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Old August 2nd, 2016, 05:51 AM   #3
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Are these the sights you're referring too? See All Nite Pistol Sight

This is the first I've seen or heard of them. I'd be interested in hearing what you think of them.
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Old August 3rd, 2016, 05:28 PM   #4
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It could also be the sight picture you are using. M&P's use a cover the target type of picture. If you cover the place on the target with the dot on the front sight it should help. But, some guys don't like that picture.

Also, ammo choice could effect your POI among other things. Hope this helps!
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Old August 3rd, 2016, 06:13 PM   #5
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Get some of these...and yes I borrwed this from xd...
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Old August 14th, 2016, 03:06 PM   #6
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I installed the See All sight and although it helped, all my shots are still low. Two other people tried it with the same results.

Was gonna pack it and go home when I decided try another gun to see how I did with it. I rented a G34g.3. Using the same type targets/ammo that I was using previously, it was an entirely different result...the difference was night and day. I was hitting where I was aiming.

Sent S&W an email explaining my problem and just waiting to see what they say.

BTW, the test cartridge in the S&W case has a date of 9/22/15, so I imagine the gun was made around that time.

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Update: Just received an email from S&W requesting my addresses and M&P S/N so they can send me a FedEx mailing material.
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It will be interesting to learn what S&W finds concerning your gun. I now have 3 full size 9's, all 4.25 inch. The earliest is a 2011 Pro bought slightly used and then a late 2014 build and then a mid 2015 build, both bought new, and all of them are equally more acurate than I am. Point of impact is point of aim (covering the target bullseye with front dot) out to 15 yards, which is about the farthest I can shoot well due to eye sight with bi-focals and steadiness.
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Did the see-all not have enough adjustment to allow you to sight it in?
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Did the see-all not have enough adjustment to allow you to sight it in?
I got the see-all adjusted but kept having the same problem. Tried a different gun and no problems.
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Then you must have run out of adjustment, otherwise you could just dial in where you wanted the bullet strike. Or I'm not understanding; it wouldn't be the first time.
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M&P's on its way to S&W.
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are you sending it in with the original sight installed ?
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are you sending it in with the original sight installed ?
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No...changed it back to stock since I noticed the low shots first with the stock sights.
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Old September 25th, 2016, 06:15 PM   #15
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Received my M&P back from S&W. They had the gun about three weeks. They changed the barrel, tested and sent it back. Took it to the range and had "not so tight" groups, but at least where I expected them (eye sight getting worse with age).

While waiting for the M&P, I tested and bought a Glock 34 MOS. Didn't matter where I put those sites, the round went there. Added an RMR and got even better. Extremely happy with the Glock 34. So happy that I thought of selling the M&P, but really like the feel and fit that decided to keep it.

Added the Apex trigger kit to the M&P. Tested the Burris FF3 on a rear site mount, and the M&P shoots even better than the Glock 34. Gonna get the slide milled for the Burris.





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