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See-All sight for pistol

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Old September 16th, 2016, 10:22 AM   #1
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See-All sight for pistol

I've been intrigued by this sight for a few months now. I like the size and the fact that it's more or less open. I've also been shooting competition with a micro red dot and while I'm coming to grips with it, for 45 years I've shot iron sights and I know that I use the slide in recoil to put me on target after recovery. It may sound strange but that's the best I can describe it. With the micro red dot I don't see the slide, it just disappears (sort of).

But the See-All being open and quite low should give my slide back to me to index on.

I contacted See-All and they told me that it was designed for older eyes and that it was fast. The first is very important for me. The 2nd is also important though but I don't ever expect to be a top shooter, and since the eyes do the work with this sight, well it's no faster than my eyes and they aren't as fast as when I was in my 20s. But they are the same eyes that I use with the red dot so I don't expect it to be slower.

Anyway, I have one on order with a delta aiming point. Obviously I'm hoping it works. If so, the red dot will go on the PCC if it ever arrives. It'll work fine there. If the See-All doesn't work on the handgun the red dot will go back on it and I'll figure out a way to use the pistol See-All on the PCC.

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Old September 16th, 2016, 10:31 AM   #2
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I've been curious about that one as well, no batteries required appeals to me since I've run into dead battery problems on a red dot before, so I appreciate it that you don't have to worry about batteries.
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Old September 16th, 2016, 12:03 PM   #3
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When I know more I'll post. Maybe I'll post as I progress with it and with my feelings/observations as a sort of crude journal.

The downside is that every 10 years or so the tritium will need to be recharged. With my red dot the battery is good for 5 years; change it annually and I figure I'm good (otherwise I'd forget). But it's whatever works. Let the chips fall as they may. I figure it'll take a week to get here and if I'm comfortable enough with it I have a match in approx' 2 weeks. But I'm not going to jump the gun and declare it one way or the other if I'm on the wall. I intend to give it time unless I'm really adamant one way or the other. After all, I'm an old fart resistant to change and this is an entirely new sight concept.

That time frame should hold, but I have a package that USPS took 4 days to get from SLC to Detroit and I still don't have it. No apology even, just a "We're not going to deliver your package on time.". Really? I hadn't noticed, I just needed it days ago and I'm tracking it. :-) USPS! 4 days to Detroit! One can drive there in less time even if one isn't in the delivery business. It should have been to Maine on Tuesday. So I have hopes (maybe false hopes) that from Idaho to Maine will be normal 3 day delivery.

Anyway, I'll post as I learn stuff after it's installed. I do know at this time that I need to remove the rear sight. I have little use for either of the iron sights anyway. I don't use them at all since putting the red dot on the gun.

Looking ahead, if I can get along with it, it's a simple install on my 9c CCW gun. I want an optical sight on that as I think it would make a wonderfully recoilless comp' gun with my light (minor pf) loads. It would be an inexpensive way to achieve that experiment. I was told that S&W has no plans to ever make a 9c that's optics ready. But every 9c has a rear sight dovetail.

But that's all putting the cart before the horse. First it needs to work for me.

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Old September 17th, 2016, 09:45 AM   #4
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Interesting looking sight, I'll be watching for your review.
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Old September 17th, 2016, 11:12 AM   #5
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After reading the OP, I did some research on this sight. Appears to be very interesting and even some of the info on U-Tube video's. I must admit, I'm very happy with my straight eights.
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Old September 21st, 2016, 10:45 AM   #6
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OK, so the sight came in today. It has a dovetail adapter that the sight screws into.

I inquired of SeeAll 1 1/2 weeks ago if their (all M&P) choice would actually fit my CORE and they assured me that it would. So of course it doesn't.

I called and was told that they won't make adapters for the CORE, but I could modify the adapter that they sent me. I just sent an email to my gunsmith regarding that.

But I did put the dovetail in place on the sight. It was a very snug fit and I had to tap it into place. Of course it had to come off when I found out the dovetail was .162 too wide. I checked with Dawson Precision since they make sights for all sorts of brands. I was told there is no manufacturer other than S&W, and only then for the CORE, using that measurement. It's unique.

What's up with that!?? Why can't handgun manufacturers standardize on common dovetail sizes?

Anyway, I can modify the adapter, which I'm trying to do, or I can send the sight back for a refund. But I didn't buy it to be QC for SeeAll. I bought it to use. So at this time I have it but can't use it on the intended gun.

It might fit the 9c but it's so long that it might intrude on the breech a hair. It would definitely cover up the chambered cartridge indicator hole, but that's easy to fix with a dremel or a milling machine. Of course that would leave raw unfinished aluminum.
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Old September 22nd, 2016, 08:15 PM   #7
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I heard back from SeeAll today and I was told the angle of the dovetail which was all Gus (my gunsmith) needed. Now I'm trying to get my comp' gun worked on and he's backed up. So I guess I'll put the Trij' red dot back on it for the remainder of my outdoor comp' season.

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