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Old November 12th, 2016, 06:08 PM   #1
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Which full size would you recommend for me?

I am fairly new to pistols. I own a Shield 9mm and a Ruger LCP. I really love shooting the Shield each week at the range with my son. He owns a Glock 17 and shoots it very well, but I want to go M&P.
I am 49 and wear "cheaters" for reading. Any distance and I find the target very blurry so I was thinking night sights or red dot.
Now the question. Do I save $ on the gun and just get the regular M&P and put night sights? Do I buy the PRO CORE? Do I spend the money and get the Perf Center CORE with ported barrel? Do the ports really help with recoil? Also, would you recommend the 4 or 5 inch barrel?
Sorry for the 20 questions, just so many choices for the same gun.
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You're getting to the age where the front sight will start to disappear, or the target, as you well know, so definitely "no" on the open night sights. They won't fix that problem. Get the CORE and put a red dot on it. That will fix that problem as it will put everything in the same focal plane. I gave up shooting for a few years because I could see the front sight, but not the target, and the red dot made all the difference. I'm shooting competitively again. Correction, I shoot with others who shoot competitively. I just shoot with them and try to do my best as a senior shooter. I have a red dot on my #10098 and I love it. But it takes getting accustomed to through practice and dry firing, but once that's attained you'll love it too. But don't expect that to happen overnight. It's going to take work. It came to me easily but I also have been shooting that grip angle for the past 45 years. For me it was point and shoot pretty much immediately. But for slow fire you'll have no problem. My brother has a similarly set up gun and he's 6 years my senior. He's doing OK with the red dot and hasn't shot a handgun for 40+ years.

The rest is a matter of what you want and want to pay for. If you get the ported Pro CORE you can ultimately do anything you want with it just by adding parts and removing other parts. I have a 5" ported pro CORE in 9mm and I didn't notice much of a reduction in muzzle flip; nor did I load ammo to maximize high pressure gas to make the ports work at their best. But I also don't notice much difference between a 3" 1911 in .45 ACP and a full size 1911. Now my gun has the ported barrel removed and an unported one in it's place so that I can shoot in a different division than I would be in with a ported barrel. As I wrote, you have maximum flexibility with the model #10098. That's why I bought mine. Just don't expect a hand fitted gun. They aren't that.

If you go with a 5" barrel you get slightly more velocity if that's important to you. Too, because of the slide being lightened the slap of the slide is reduced due to less mass. In theory it also cycles faster, but it would take someone far better than us to make use of that. If it was an iron sighted gun the extra slide length would mean something, but with a red dot the longer slide is meaningless for sighting.

Good luck with your decision, but the biggest change and most meaningful is moving from iron sights to a red dot. That will make a huge change for you, the rest, not so much.
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I'm 70 now and had to go to bifocals in my mid 40's, awful hard to see open sights ever since. About 3 years ago got a Ruger 22 that included a scope mount, so I decided to try a red dot on it, it was AWESOME! A couple years ago I added a 5" CORE 9mm and added a red dot to it also, it makes a huge difference, more recently added a S&W Victory 22 and put a red dot on it also, so now I have 3 pistols with red dots and I can tell you that is the way to go!

The last red dot I got was the Vortex Venom and it is the best of the lot, I highly recommend that model!

BTW the mounting plate and screws needed are included with the CORE model, so no extra mounting stuff needed.
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Old November 13th, 2016, 06:13 AM   #4
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I'm 59 and was having a hard time aiming, plus I use progressive lenses. Tried the red dot and I was sold. I would definitely recommend the red dot. I have them on my Glock 34 and M&P9FS 4.25". If you are going with the red dot, I would get the CORE. Its costing me $200 to get my M&P9 milled.



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Thanks for the info guys. Since this gun will be for range fun only I think I will get the 5 inch barrel Core. I'm still up in the air on ported or not.
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Thanks Guys, y'all made me feel better. I thought I was blind. The eye doc tells me that my nearsightedness is getting better, but my cataracts and astigmatism are getting worse. Been wearing bifocals for a bunch of years, but I can still shoot just fine with iron sights. No red dot for me. Yet!
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You're getting to the age where the front sight will start to disappear, or the target, as you well know, so definitely "no" on the open night sights. They won't fix that problem. Get the CORE and put a red dot on it. That will fix that problem as it will put everything in the same focal plane. I gave up shooting for a few years because I could see the front sight, but not the target, and the red dot made all the difference. I'm shooting competitively again. Correction, I shoot with others who shoot competitively. I just shoot with them and try to do my best as a senior shooter. I have a red dot on my #10098 and I love it. But it takes getting accustomed to through practice and dry firing, but once that's attained you'll love it too. But don't expect that to happen overnight. It's going to take work. It came to me easily but I also have been shooting that grip angle for the past 45 years. For me it was point and shoot pretty much immediately. But for slow fire you'll have no problem. My brother has a similarly set up gun and he's 6 years my senior. He's doing OK with the red dot and hasn't shot a handgun for 40+ years.

The rest is a matter of what you want and want to pay for. If you get the ported Pro CORE you can ultimately do anything you want with it just by adding parts and removing other parts. I have a 5" ported pro CORE in 9mm and I didn't notice much of a reduction in muzzle flip; nor did I load ammo to maximize high pressure gas to make the ports work at their best. But I also don't notice much difference between a 3" 1911 in .45 ACP and a full size 1911. Now my gun has the ported barrel removed and an unported one in it's place so that I can shoot in a different division than I would be in with a ported barrel. As I wrote, you have maximum flexibility with the model #10098. That's why I bought mine. Just don't expect a hand fitted gun. They aren't that.

If you go with a 5" barrel you get slightly more velocity if that's important to you. Too, because of the slide being lightened the slap of the slide is reduced due to less mass. In theory it also cycles faster, but it would take someone far better than us to make use of that. If it was an iron sighted gun the extra slide length would mean something, but with a red dot the longer slide is meaningless for sighting.

Good luck with your decision, but the biggest change and most meaningful is moving from iron sights to a red dot. That will make a huge change for you, the rest, not so much.
Thanks Brian for the advice. I bought the same gun today. #10098. I already shot 200 rounds through it this afternoon. Love it. It will take some time getting used to the trigger with no audible reset but I will get it. Now, on to the red dot. What are the recommendations? Not too expensive as my wife will be buying it for Christmas. Around $300 max.
Thanks for all the help!
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Given your aging eyes, it's nice to have the option of the CORE. It comes with suppressor sights so an optic can be added down the road if the money isn't there now. As for a ported barrel, that's really a pretty personal choice. Keep in mind that with a 9mm the recoil isn't enormous. And there's also the issue of muzzle flash coming from the ports and what that does to your night vision. I've never fired a ported M&P so I don't know if this is a problem or not. And much can also depend on the ammunition used...some flash more than others.

As for 4 in vs. 5 in...normally I say if you're going to carry it, go with the shorter barrel and if it's for home and range, then go with the 5 inch. However, if you've also got aging eyes, a shorter barrel could be a good thing as it brings the front sight post closer to those eyes. So go with the 4.
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Cigar Guy, I'm definitely the wrong person to ask about an inexpensive slide mounted red dot. I've done inexpensive quite a few times over the years a few decades ago, and after many false starts and wasted $ I decided that from then on I would bite the bullet and get the good stuff. So for my red dot I bought a Trij' RM06. I shoot competitively and it's had thousands of rounds through the gun and the sight is still working. The G forces that a red dot has to endure with each cycle of the gun is incredible. Last I knew (from an ad decades ago) it was something like 1000 Gs.

To put my "buy the best, have it forever" philosophy in perspective, I recently put an inexpensive tube type red dot on a pistol caliber carbine for competition. I installed it and couldn't even get it near the paper at 10 yards. It was about 18" low at that distance and the "come ups" were at the limit. So I shimmed the rear of the sight .015", the sight is only about 1.5" long, so shimming it that much was radical. That put me high, so I dialed in some "come downs" to sight it in somewhere near the middle of the adjustment. I dry fired it a whole bunch, then decided to double check the sight in for an upcoming match. Eventually I moved the target in to the 10 yard area and it was shooting at least 6" low (AGAIN!) . The sight is presently in Texas and will be delivered on Monday so that I can get a replacement. The price was very attractive and once I get a good one it should hold up on that low recoiling gun, but if I had gone with a higher quality sight I doubt I'd have had any problems at all. It's frustrating to be forced to step back and return to a previous set up that I used to just get the gun running but that's where I am now... back to square one and waiting on a sight that works. My present setup is just temporary. I tried to save some $ because right now I'm tapped out. I know better than to do that. Eventually I'll have a better sight on that gun; one that I trust.

So my advice is to wait and get the very best that you can afford, even if you need to put $ toward it little by little. Generally I'm not an instant gratification person. The reason I went inexpensive this time is because I wanted to use the PCC in competition this season and I'm done with outdoor competition tomorrow, until April when we next begin shooting outdoors again, so I was under a time constraint if I wanted to shoot the PCC this season.
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...Now, on to the red dot. What are the recommendations? Not too expensive as my wife will be buying it for Christmas. Around $300 max.

Thanks for all the help!

Mark

I have a Trijicon RMR on my M&P and like it a lot. I also have a Burris FF3 on my Glock 34 and like it a lot too. Price difference between the two is over $300. I'm not a competitive shooter and use the red dots on my guns because my eyesight has gotten worse as I get older. If you're on a budget I would recommend the Burris. Only reason I would recommend the Burris is because I've used it and haven't had any problems. Great product IMO.

Hope this helps.

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Pretty hard to beat the VORTEX unconditional LIFETIME warranty
Vortex Optics - Venom Red Dot

These sights are all over ebay.... you can get them for around $200 easily if you look hard enough.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vortex-VMD-3...cAAOSwKtVWx0Wz

BUYER BEWARE of the TRIJICON... there are ALOT of cheap copy knock-off`s out there....!!!!!
If people are asking for half the price for it, its likely a chinese knock-off...and its JUNK...!!!!!

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I am 49 and wear "cheaters" for reading. Any distance and I find the target very blurry
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Hey, this is my first post but I am an old blind-ish USPSA shooter. I got reader safety glasses, made a huge difference.

Bear in mind, I didn't want a bifocal, I wanted the entire lens to be the reader. I only focus on the front sight, the target is blurry but centered (I don't know if young people can see both the front sight and the target in focus or not). Huge help.

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Hey, this is my first post but I am an old blind-ish USPSA shooter. I got reader safety glasses, made a huge difference.

Bear in mind, I didn't want a bifocal, I wanted the entire lens to be the reader. I only focus on the front sight, the target is blurry but centered (I don't know if young people can see both the front sight and the target in focus or not). Huge help.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I've tried the readers for shooting, they left a lot to be desired. When I was young and had excellent vision, the flight surgeon told me I had much better than average vision, when the front sight was in focus the target was blurry. After I needed glasses I found a reader that I could see the front sight clearly, however the target was terrible, not a little out of focus but almost unreadable, unacceptable. The only thing that worked was a red dot sight, like the Vortex Venom mentioned.

I used to be a competitive shooter when I was younger, I shot in the Master Class, but the single vision readers these days were unacceptable.
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Get an XS Big Dot front sight, and don't look back..............
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I am fairly new to pistols. I own a Shield 9mm and a Ruger LCP. I really love shooting the Shield each week at the range with my son. He owns a Glock 17 and shoots it very well, but I want to go M&P.
I am 49 and wear "cheaters" for reading. Any distance and I find the target very blurry so I was thinking night sights or red dot.
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If you are at the point where you lose the target when you focus on the front sight, or the other way around, no iron sights will cure that issue.

I'd go red dot as it works for you, I would not expect night sights or any other iron sights to help, blurry is blurry, night sights may even add a glow to the blur which makes the target harder to see at night and in the day the night sights glow will be so low it won't be any different than no illuminated sights.

Most of us sooner or latter will face this problem. I wear bi-focals but take them off to shoot. Works great now but in ten years I expect to buy a service dog to do my aiming.
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