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Old November 16th, 2016, 03:49 PM   #1
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Best and most affordable red dot for CORE.

Not looking to spend more than $300 since my wife will be buying for Christmas.
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Old November 16th, 2016, 06:42 PM   #2
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Take the cash as the gift and add your money to it. My opinion on optics for the CORE.

Experience: FF3, battery cap falls off on both models I had and on off switch broke. No co-witness. I advise against this.

Experience: JPoint, only gripe I have is that this sight sucks in low light. It would be useless when your flashlight is on. It is ok in outdoor shooting. The lens is a glass like plastic. It looks and feels like glass but has micro machine marks that make the dot appear to be a little jagged. It co-witnesses. If it had adjustability, I would recommend this.

No experience with other dots but most will not co-witness. From personal friends and people on the web, my conclusion is that though most sights are ok for a non picky person who doesn't shoot much.

For people who shoot a lot, you will see them recommend the Delta, JPoint, Docter, and RMR. Sometimes the Vortex. People will swear by the FF3 but even for moderate shooters, and you can look it up, they break in one way or another.

If you want adjustability, co-witness, and for it to last long, the only option is the adjustable RMR's. You can find a used one for around 450 and I think that's the best option. Otherwise, in my opinion, anything else has it's ups and down, but mostly downs, as the micro dot market isn't concentrating on dots for pistols.
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Old November 17th, 2016, 03:33 AM   #3
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I'd like to try an RMR, I'd probably go for the Tritium/Fiber optic version and not have to worry about batteries.
I have FF III's on both of my Mini-30's, two years, still on the same batteries, and no issues whatsoever. I have not heard of any problems or breakage with the FastFire except for Mind Beyond Averages experience above. Mini's are hard on optics due to the op-rod slamming forward, much heavier than any pistol slide. There are a lot of guys that use them on a couple of the Ruger Mini forums I frequent , and not a single issue that I have heard.
You can get one for about $230, well within your Christmas budget. I got mine from Optics Planet. Burris has a "Forever" lifetime warranty should you ever need repair.
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Old November 17th, 2016, 07:18 AM   #4
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I have 3 RMR's on my M&P's. If you are thinking about using you gun as your EDC piece I would suggest saving you money and buying the best, which is still the RMR. For a range gun any sight will do. If you are betting your life on a piece of equipment do not short change yourself.
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Old November 17th, 2016, 07:29 AM   #5
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This question is sure to have as many suggestions as there are folks reading it and there is no one right answer.

I went with an RMR because when I need the sight I don't want to send it back for repair and wait for it to come back. RMRs have had their problems with a battery contact, and I assume that's was corrected years ago since I've had mine for 2 years now with no problems. Too, I never shut it off and the battery is still good. I also shoot my M&P competitively and I put lots of rounds through the gun.

More than that I can't tell you since I only have the one red dot mounted on a CORE.

Sanddog, I find it extremely hard to believe that an operating rod not connected to the sight places more force on a sight than a red dot mounted onto the slide of a handgun. The rifle has mass to dampen the force you refer to, and the sight isn't mounted on the op' rod. I'd like to see the data you got this from. For it to be true the mini14 itself, what the sight is mounted to, would need to move as violently as a handgun slide, and clearly it doesn't do that.
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Old November 17th, 2016, 10:28 AM   #6
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I have 2 red dots that are suitable for mounting on the CORE, I first bought a Burris Fastfire 3, its a pretty good little unit.

A few months later I needed another red dot of the same style, I had heard a lot of good things about the Vortex Venom red dot, I have several Vortex rifle scopes and I'm very impressed by them, so I got the Vortex Venom, I am extremely impressed by the Venom, I substantially prefer the Vortex Venom over the Burris Fastfire 3. Both use the same mounting plate and screws that come with the pistol, so no additional mounting stuff needed.

As far as co witness, both of them are marginal, you can see the sights, but just barely on both of them. BTW, I still have both of them, two different red dots on two different pistols.
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Old November 20th, 2016, 02:58 AM   #7
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Love my Vortex Venom. Used the Burris FF3 M&P mount and fit is perfect.


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I also own a Vortex Venom, and can highly recommend it.
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Old November 22nd, 2016, 04:09 AM   #9
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Sanddog, I find it extremely hard to believe that an operating rod not connected to the sight places more force on a sight than a red dot mounted onto the slide of a handgun. The rifle has mass to dampen the force you refer to, and the sight isn't mounted on the op' rod. I'd like to see the data you got this from. For it to be true the mini14 itself, what the sight is mounted to, would need to move as violently as a handgun slide, and clearly it doesn't do that.
True, my FastFire's are not connected to the op-rod. Mini's are notorious for being hard on optics, though. It's not so much the weight of the op-rod, as it is the force exerted when the op-rod slams forward against the gas block. It is an opposite motion that most optics aren't designed to withstand, as they are built with recoil in mind. Sort of like how a piston/springer air gun will destroy a scope if it is not an airgun specific scope.
Even the relatively mild 7.62 x 39 has around 3 1/2 to 4 times the power of most handgun rounds, so there is some good op-rod velocity there.

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Old December 20th, 2016, 11:42 AM   #10
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Who makes the dovetail mount for the M&P? I have a Vortex Venom on my CZ 75 B New Edition but would like to mount one on my M&P FS. A mount would save me having to put money out for a CORE.

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Old December 23rd, 2016, 03:45 PM   #11
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Who makes the dovetail mount for the M&P? I have a Vortex Venom on my CZ 75 B New Edition but would like to mount one on my M&P FS. A mount would save me having to put money out for a CORE.

Take Care

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You can pick one up from Brownells for about $40 .

brownells.com/optics-mounting/electronic-sights/mounting-hardware/low-dovetail-mount-for-smith-wesson-m-p




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Old December 24th, 2016, 06:02 AM   #12
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Love my Vortex Venom. Used the Burris FF3 M&P mount and fit is perfect.

Not to change the subject KOOI, but i find your gun very sexy... i wanna do bad things to it...lol. Ok back on subject... trijicon, vortex, burrisIII, cant go wrong. I do like the fact that vortex offers a lifetime warranty policy.
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Love my Vortex Viper ($188)

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Old January 10th, 2017, 07:55 AM   #14
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Thanks, ordered.

I have had the Venom on my gun for only a month but really like it. I have a SPARC on my Beretta Storm and have had good luck with it as well. Nothing wrong with the Vortex products.

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