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Old November 21st, 2016, 11:41 AM   #1
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Factory trigger of the M&P line of pistols

I've been researching the M&P line of handguns for awhile now. They sound like great pistols. Due to recently retiring, I was looking into possibly buying a set of them for a retirement gift to myself consisting of a full size, two compacts and a shield. (All brand new in 9mm and standard models) My only reservation is all the talk about the factory triggers, most seem to swap them out for the APEX triggers. I don't like the idea of purchasing new firearms knowing I'll will have to modify them right of the bat. Are the factory triggers "really" that bad? These pistols would be strictly for self defense/carry and possibly some IDPA next spring/summer now that I'll have more time to play!
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Old November 21st, 2016, 01:22 PM   #2
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Welcome to our little corner of the web! I moved your post to an area that gets a lot more traffic so you can get a better variety of answers to your question.

Personally, I own 3 M&P's, a full size 40, a long slide CORE in 9mm, and a 9mm Shield. I was a competition pistol shooter for many years, too old and crippled up with arthritis to do it any more, but I'm used to customized competition pistols. I have installed Apex triggers on the 2 full size pistols for a lighter trigger pull, however my carry gun the 9mm Shield is absolutely stock. Self defense shootings are rarely over 10-15 feet, so real fine trigger work really isn't needed. The stock triggers are fine, the main reason people change them out is that the Apex triggers are better.

So do you really need to change the trigger? Not at all, people change their trigger because they want a better or lighter trigger pull, but its really not necessary. If a person is reasonably mechanically competent they can install the Apex parts using the online videos for guidance, I did both of mine myself.
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Old November 21st, 2016, 01:59 PM   #3
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The stock triggers aren't horrible but way too springy and mushy with almost no reset feel at all. I found mine to have inconsistent "break" which I was not used too with 1911's and a modified Springfield XD.

All of my M&P's have Apex triggers but I would not say its a "must have" for everyone.
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I have been fairly lucky. My examples from the M&P line have pretty good triggers. I did install the Apex Duty Carry kit in a 4.25 inch 9mm, but I wouldn't have done that even if I hadn't gotten a great deal on a used set.
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Old November 21st, 2016, 07:13 PM   #5
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When I checked out my first M&P9 at my LGS back in '07, two things stood out to me, and made me take the pistol home. First was the way it pointed so naturally for me; like my 1911's did. The second was the trigger, which, while not "1911 like;" was a vast improvement to me over the several glocks that I'd owned, and tried to like (five). Unfortunately, the glocks didn't "point right," and had spongy, "twangy" triggers.

I've owned several M&P's over the years, and currently own five. Actually, I've only let two of them go. The first was my bone stock '07 which was my IDPA pistol for several years. I gave to my wife after she used it in her first "real" training course (a 1500 round count weekend class). The other was a 9mm Shield that I traded in on a PC 9mm Shield.

As far as the Apex parts go; one M&P9 has the CAEK, and I've installed the hard sear and striker block in two of my carry pistols; an M&P9 and 9c. I prefer that to the DCAEK, which comes with a trigger return spring that's one pound heavier than the stock one. I've installed the striker block in my PC Shield 9. My .45 Shield is currently stock, as Apex hasn't developed any parts for them as yet. That said, the .45 Shield has a very good trigger as is.

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Old November 22nd, 2016, 02:57 AM   #6
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I own 4 M&P's a Pro, V-Tac, and 2 PC Shields. The Pro and V- Tac I haven't touched the triggers but both of the Shields were gritty. I dropped in a duty/carry Apex in mine but the wife's all I did was Polish the parts and now both are smooth. My wife is a new shooter so her trigger control is there yet but the Polish job has made the reset and break much cleaner. My Shield the Apex duty/carry kit has taken out some travel and lightened up the pull some. Over all the triggers are good I just didn't like the gritty feel of them and the V-Tac has probably the best of all 4 as the audible reset is nice. Not a must have for everyone and it's a personal preference you are comfortable with.


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That said, the .45 Shield has a very good trigger as is.
Yeah, that's what I find too. My Shield 9's trigger was very rough so I decided to go with the Apex system but also decided to give it my version of a trigger job first. Nothing to lose as you have to disassemble anyhow, right? After lightly sanding the trigger bar, bar loop and sear cam (800 grit), I immediately felt a difference in the gritty trigger. Next step was to yank the rear sight (highly over hyped) and buff the striker plunger and plunger shaft. I put the gun back together (total time one hour) and dry fired it. I quickly determined the Apex system wasn't even necessary. The action was super smooth and remains so many rounds later. I'm not suggesting the total Apex package isn't a better approach or not worth the time and money but for me, I'm OK with what I did.

Now, back to the Shield 45: I'm finding that the Shield 45's trigger (I've dry fired a few at local stores) is very smooth as compared to my Shield 9 before my trigger job. If I do get a '45, I'll be OK with the stock trigger. Either my 9 was super bad or S&W has made some sort of improvement in their latest offering in 45.

OP: All things considered, the M&P line of guns are really well done. I would not hesitate to get any and all of the ones you described. Regarding your gift to yourself for your retirement, I did the same with my Icom IC-7800 ($7126, used).

Forgot to mention, welcome to the forum!! Where in "Penna"?? (Villanova '67)

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Thanks for the responses and welcoming me to the sight! That gives me some food for though heading into this purchase.

Scarpia, I'm from the Harrisburg area.
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I would agree with most, about the triggers, in regards to the gun being a carry weapon. Leave it stock if your going to just carry. BUT, if you like to shoot ALOT, like i do, install ALL the APEX parts, you`ll be MUCH happier.
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I own 4 M&P's, two full size Pro Series, one 9mm and one .40 caliber, along with two .40 caliber Shields. I have modified two. The full size .40 has an Apex FSS Trigger Kit. One of the Shields has the sear from the full size .40 in it.

The 9mm and the other Shield haven't been touched. They have broken in nicely. They still have the same take up in the trigger as they did new, but the pull is lighter and smoother. The 9mm is technically my wife's gun and she won't let me modify it. The non-modified Shield I carry the most and so I just leave it that way. I'm hoping that some company comes up with a 9mm conversion barrel for the Shield so I can have one of each in case my wife wants to get her license. Hope this helps!
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Old November 27th, 2016, 10:19 AM   #11
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I picked up a 9mm Shield on black friday. If the trigger on this is the same as the new compacts and full size pistols,I'm happy as is. I like it!
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Old November 27th, 2016, 01:09 PM   #12
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I picked up a 9mm Shield on black friday. If the trigger on this is the same as the new compacts and full size pistols,I'm happy as is. I like it!
Congratulations on the new Shield 9. If you end up liking yours as much as I like mine, you're going to be Very happy.

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I picked up a 9mm Shield on black friday. If the trigger on this is the same as the new compacts and full size pistols,I'm happy as is. I like it!

APEX it, you`ll like it even better...!
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Trigger

When I shot my first M&P it was a 9C with no safety. I thought it had a horrible trigger. That was because I came from 1911's. My Kimber TLE II has Ed Brown "Hard Core" trigger parts installed and is converted back to a series 70 with a Wilson Flat Wire recoil spring and plug. So to be honest that is a completely unfair comparison as there is no pistol in the World that has a better trigger than a tuned 1911. I doubt we will ever see the day where a striker fired pistol with have a trigger that can come close, just the nature of the beast.

I now have the Shield 45 and it has a great trigger on it, probably the best striker fired trigger I have ever felt!I am very happy with this pistol in every way and have retire my 1911 carry guns to the safe and fun days at the range shooting tight groups.

My FFl is currently in possession of my new M&P 45 Full Size (yeah I love .45ACP and have been reloading it for 30+ years). Yes my M&P's all have the thumb safety because I have trained and shot 1911's so to me it's a natural thing. The new full size it one good looking pistol with desert tan frame and black slide! It also came with S&W night sights (wondering if any of you have these and how you like them?). Okay Finally my question;

Do the newer full size M&P's come with the Shield triggers?

Thanks in advance
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I am still getting used to an M&P trigger after 1911's, and mostly sa/da firearms. I still like sa/da firearms best, but I never had any gritiness with my M&P trigger. I just have to use my trigger finger differently. I can get away with a lot of finger on my other triggers, but this M&P needs the finger tip.
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