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Vortex Venom on PC 9L

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Old January 11th, 2017, 10:58 AM   #1
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Vortex Venom on PC 9L

I just got a new Venom, and mounted it on my PC 9l. I used the #5 plate like it says, and the dot was pretty high. I couldn't adjust it down far enough with the elevation adjustment, so I had to shim the rear of the plate. I finally got it down far enough, but seems like quite a bit of shimming.

I'm pretty sure it will be fine and it's a range gun anyway...juts like things to work properly out of the box...feels like I had to jury rig it.

Anyone else had this issue?
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Old January 11th, 2017, 01:59 PM   #2
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That was why I returned my Venom and went with the Viper.
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Old January 11th, 2017, 04:04 PM   #3
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If fit perfectly on mine, I suspect you didn't get the plate sitting right, it might have been upside down or something. There are a lot of guys who have mounted Venoms on their Cores with no problems at all.
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If fit perfectly on mine, I suspect you didn't get the plate sitting right, it might have been upside down or something. There are a lot of guys who have mounted Venoms on their Cores with no problems at all.
it would be hard to place it upside down and not notice. I thought maybe something under the front, but I took it off multiple times, and made sure all surfaces were clean each time.

Vortex customer service, said it's not unusual. They referred me to UM tactical who makes a delrin shim that will fit under. I ordered it for $10. I put a few layers of cellophane pacing tape under it for now and I got it adjusted, but at the very end of the adjustment.. Without taking the sight off nobody would ever know there is tape under there, but it bugs me LOL. Just doesn't feel right. I guess it could be the plate got stamped slight off.

I will check everything again, before using the shim...Maybe I missed something. I searched and didn't find anybody else having an issue, so I hear what you are saying.
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it would be hard to place it upside down and not notice. I thought maybe something under the front, but I took it off multiple times, and made sure all surfaces were clean each time.

Vortex customer service, said it's not unusual. They referred me to UM tactical who makes a delrin shim that will fit under. I ordered it for $10. I put a few layers of cellophane pacing tape under it for now and I got it adjusted, but at the very end of the adjustment.. Without taking the sight off nobody would ever know there is tape under there, but it bugs me LOL. Just doesn't feel right. I guess it could be the plate got stamped slight off.

I will check everything again, before using the shim...Maybe I missed something. I searched and didn't find anybody else having an issue, so I hear what you are saying.
Makes me wonder if the mounting surface where the sight sits onto the slide was milled correctly. These guns ARE mass produced, possible machining errors are NOT uncommon, especially when these companies today, are all about numbers vs profit. I live it everyday where i work... the managements attitude is, and i quote... "i`m not concerned about the quality, did we hit the unit production numbers today...?" We have standards we have to go by, but where they`re going wrong is, engineers are pushing the limits of tolerance`s and opening them further all the time. (because of the bean counters in the front office`s) This allows them to make sloppier OR tighter fitments within parts, all quality issues in the end that they dont seem to care about anymore.

Unless you have several of each of the products to measure, (slides and sights to compare) with some sort of a process test, we`ll never know who or where the problem is really at. Personally, i blame the milling process at S&W. I have 2 identical guns here, i can mount a electronic sight on one gun, but not the other, because one was parallel with the slide rails, the other slide on the other gun was not... hence, had to shim to make it work on one gun but not the other. That my friends, is a 100% quality issue. If you have a milled surface not true from the front of the milling process to the rear of it, your sight WILL NOT dial-in in the middle of the sight adjustments.

Maybe there should be a data base started where we can all measure and leave the findings to compare. But all measurements would have to be done the exact same way with each slide, to really get to the bottom of this problem.... thats likely going to be the downfall, everyone doing the exact same process with test measurements.
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Makes me wonder if the mounting surface where the sight sits onto the slide was milled correctly. These guns ARE mass produced, possible machining errors are NOT uncommon, especially when these companies today, are all about numbers vs profit. I live it everyday where i work... the managements attitude is, and i quote... "i`m not concerned about the quality, did we hit the unit production numbers today...?" We have standards we have to go by, but where they`re going wrong is, engineers are pushing the limits of tolerance`s and opening them further all the time. (because of the bean counters in the front office`s) This allows them to make sloppier OR tighter fitments within parts, all quality issues in the end that they dont seem to care about anymore.

Unless you have several of each of the products to measure, (slides and sights to compare) with some sort of a process test, we`ll never know who or where the problem is really at. Personally, i blame the milling process at S&W. I have 2 identical guns here, i can mount a electronic sight on one gun, but not the other, because one was parallel with the slide rails, the other slide on the other gun was not... hence, had to shim to make it work on one gun but not the other. That my friends, is a 100% quality issue. If you have a milled surface not true from the front of the milling process to the rear of it, your sight WILL NOT dial-in in the middle of the sight adjustments.

Maybe there should be a data base started where we can all measure and leave the findings to compare. But all measurements would have to be done the exact same way with each slide, to really get to the bottom of this problem.... thats likely going to be the downfall, everyone doing the exact same process with test measurements.
I considered that, and frankly worried, and I still am. But the Trijicon I had on there before was spot on. I ahve another Trijicon coming, and I will check that.

At this point I'm more inclined to think maybe the plate For the Vortex (#5 I think) is a little out? Or just a hitch with this particular pairing.
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I considered that, and frankly worried, and I still am. But the Trijicon I had on there before was spot on. I ahve another Trijicon coming, and I will check that.

At this point I'm more inclined to think maybe the plate For the Vortex (#5 I think) is a little out? Or just a hitch with this particular pairing.
The sight itself may not be milled ZERO flat. It would be hard to check for taper on the sight, checking the mill flat on the slide would be easier to check.
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The sight itself may not be milled ZERO flat. It would be hard to check for taper on the sight, checking the mill flat on the slide would be easier to check.
no problems with my new Trijicon RM06...got to be either the Vortex or the Plate, I'll get out the calipers tomorrow and check the plate.
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