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Old February 1st, 2017, 11:38 AM   #16
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Apparently you didn't read my part where it tells that I have a friend with a Glock 20. Of course I've fired a 10mm, a lot, other wise I'd be talking out of my arse like some others do. Personally, give me .40, .45, .357, .44, 10mm, and they all feel pretty much the same. Everybody feels recoil differently. I don't really care about recoil..........others do. Whatever your choice, you're barking up the wrong tree.........10mm is basically a cult bullet, which will go by the wayside someday. That's what is so great about this country. You can like any caliber you want. Apparently, you won't convince the firearm companies or the masses that 10mm is the next best thing since white bread. I'd carry a .44 revolver before a 10mm semi any day. Each to his own.
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Old February 1st, 2017, 12:46 PM   #17
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Rooster, you're "arguing" with the wrong people. You need to take it to S&W unless the point of your post is to only argue. You posted and we're telling you as it is. Like it or not it's the truth. The 10mm is a niche round and unprofitable for the big manufacturers. But again, convince S&W to make what you want. Good luck with that.

Personally I think I'd have a .460 Rowland before I'd have a 10mm. But that's just me.
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Old February 1st, 2017, 01:36 PM   #18
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.40 cal. isn't going anywhere. If it wasn't for bears, 10mm would be by the wayside. Dinosaur. Too expensive, too much recoil for the average shooter, and really no need for the round. I'll keep my .40's and be shooting them forever while the 10mm fades away in to the sunset. .40 and .45 and .357 are more than capable for any type of business. I guarantee, you couldn't take more than one short and wimpy...............................
What does a 40 do that a 9mm won't? Blows up glocks better I guess, wears out brass quicker too.... I'm not a moron, I wouldn't wanna get shot by .17 hmr or even a BB gun.... I see 40 sticking around for guns who play certain gun games and want major power factor and more capacity than a 45 but, as a defensive round against two legged aggressors real serious defensive instructors will tell you all everything 9mm on up in power all stop people the same if the shots are placed well....Get in the woods and I'll take 10mm, 40 just isn't powerful enough to give up two rounds of 9mm..
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Makes a bigger hole.................you're the resident expert, you figure it out. I'm not a moron is questionable at this point. Want to argue, go visit your mother
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Makes a bigger hole.................you're the resident expert, you figure it out. I'm not a moron is questionable at this point. Want to argue, go visit your mother


You're right I am starting to think you're a moron. Typically less intelligent folks use insults and generalities like you do when trying to argue.


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You're right I am starting to think you're a moron. Typically less intelligent folks use insults and generalities like you do when trying to argue.


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Ignore him aaron, he contributes nothing but ways to argue with EVERYBODY in here. Hopefully the mods will ban him soon. Most are getting tired of his arrogance and insults.
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Ignore him aaron, he contributes nothing but ways to argue with EVERYBODY in here. Hopefully the mods will ban him soon. Most are getting tired of his arrogance and insults.
Your kidding right??????? The guy has been arguing with everyone since the start of this discussion. If you like mollycoddling, go ahead. Go back to the beginning and re-read. Then I say once again, are you kidding me. If truth be known, I think that this sight is for people who like to mollycoddle, tell everybody that Shield's and M&P's are the greatest thing since white bread, and just want to talk baloney. Truth also be known, I was warned by the head honcho once before, and I asked to be dismissed, and even asked for instructions to do it myself. Never heard back. Apparently Paw Paw lives on this forum because he has no other life. If they do ban me, I could care less. I belong to other forums who have no issues with me being honest. Been with them forever. You sir, need to quit kissing everyone's ass, tell it like it is, and quit worrying about some arsehole who wants to argue. A 10mm troll.
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Rooster, you're "arguing" with the wrong people. You need to take it to S&W unless the point of your post is to only argue. You posted and we're telling you as it is. Like it or not it's the truth. The 10mm is a niche round and unprofitable for the big manufacturers. But again, convince S&W to make what you want. Good luck with that.

Personally I think I'd have a .460 Rowland before I'd have a 10mm. But that's just me.
Funny, If I would say this, they would want to ban me..
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If SW saw a viable market for a 10mm semi auto Im sure they would build it.
However one must assume that their market research indicates it is either a non viable market or such a small "niche" they dont want to waste resources on it.

Being they do build and sell several models of semi autos in 40SW they obviously see that as a viable revenue earning market.

So all of you pissing and moaning on here about the fact they dont make a 10mm are obviously among a minority of gun buyers in the eyes of SW.




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Above pretty much hit it on the nose. Likely why there isn't a .357 Sig option for the M&P anymore. They don't sell enough of them. Same reason every rifle cartridge imagineable isn't chambered in everyone's bolt gun every year. Whatever is popular at the time and the old standbys that sell. The .257 Roberts has a niche following, but you won't see one on the shelf at Academy most likely.

10mm has a select following. Like for myself, yeah I'd like to have one. But there are still several other things I would also like to have that would come before the 10mm. And even after that, if I got one, it would probably be on a 1911 platform rather than a Glock or other Polymer platform. So if for nothing else, there is an example of just 1 average Joe's mindset. 9's, 40's, and 45's are a dime a dozen from several manufacturers and sell constantly to the point that while everyone has an option for one, everyone is also going to get some market share of a larger pie. On top of that, S&W is huge and makes tons of models of several types of guns. Unlike Glock that makes a whole lot of similar versions of the same handgun. No big deal to them to add that caliber, or even that 45 GAP thing that fell on its face. Its just another version of the only thing they do.
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I see irrational caliber wars are alive and well. Pity.

If you want S&W to build your firearm in a specific caliber, apply for a job as the CEO.

The thing that has made the most sense so far was "If you really need to argue, call your mother-in-law" (I may not have quoted that verbatim.)
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Don't get me wrong ... I think S&W is a great company, but hear me out here .. just a little constructive criticism ...... a little rant. I'm not trying to start a 'caliber war'.


Ask yourself this .... "Why did the M2.0 come around?"

It came around because S&W wanted to compete for a Military Contract! Not due to customer demand ... or innovation and keeping their product "fresh", but because S&W wanted a Military Contract under their belt so that they could secure product sales in an increasingly fickle market.

Another brand that comes to mind is 'Glock', but I'm not going there. Truth be told ... if the Military Contract had not come about we would all be staring at the same design from 12 years ago.

However, what really gets me is that they sold fewer C.O.R.E. models over the past few years than they would have if they offered a 10mm model! That's the bottom line ....
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Don't get me wrong ... I think S&W is a great company, but hear me out here .. just a little constructive criticism ...... a little rant. I'm not trying to start a 'caliber war'.


Ask yourself this .... "Why did the M2.0 come around?"

It came around because S&W wanted to compete for a Military Contract! Not due to customer demand ... or innovation and keeping their product "fresh", but because S&W wanted a Military Contract under their belt so that they could secure product sales in an increasingly fickle market.

Another brand that comes to mind is 'Glock', but I'm not going there. Truth be told ... if the Military Contract had not come about we would all be staring at the same design from 12 years ago.

However, what really gets me is that they sold fewer C.O.R.E. models over the past few years than they would have if they offered a 10mm model! That's the bottom line ....

If you want to compete for a military contract the first thing you do is build a pistol that fits the military bid specs, S&W didn't even attempt to do that, that is why they never put it up since it didn't fit the specifications required to compete.
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This thread has been beaten to death, and its descending into personal attacks, so I'm closing this thread.
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