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Old February 18th, 2017, 05:49 AM   #1
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Gun or me or both ( suck)

Went to the range to day took my m&P 9 ( 2014 manufacturing build )
And my shield 9 . Shoot both good up 15 yards . Then I tried 25 yards standing
With the full size 9 . I suck or this gun is not good at 25 yards or both .
10 round most with in the large circle and couple of flyers . Not tight groups.

I don't shoot much only a few times a year . This was my first try with my full size m&p 9 at this distance. Not impressive. Seems like years ago with my Sig,226 I did better . But that was 25 years ago . I'm now 59
So is it me with lack of training or is the gun or both .

Next time I'll try my daughters G19 and see how I do .
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Old February 18th, 2017, 06:53 AM   #2
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skar, some M&Ps simply don't shoot at all well. Sure, it could be you, but if you've shot other guns acceptably it might be the gun.

I'm a shooter and am capable of shooting tight groups, from a rest it's definitely not a problem. When working up a load for mine it about drove me nuts. I simply couldn't get acceptable accuracy out of the gun.

To make this story short, I replaced the barrel with an APEX barrel and the groups, almost miraculously, reduced in size. It wasn't a small reduction in size either, it was a major reduction. It's the way the APEX barrel is fit that makes the most difference.
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Old February 18th, 2017, 09:59 AM   #3
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Went to the range to day took my m&P 9 ( 2014 manufacturing build )
And my shield 9 . Shoot both good up 15 yards . Then I tried 25 yards standing
With the full size 9 . I suck or this gun is not good at 25 yards or both .
10 round most with in the large circle and couple of flyers . Not tight groups.

I don't shoot much only a few times a year . This was my first try with my full size m&p 9 at this distance. Not impressive. Seems like years ago with my Sig,226 I did better . But that was 25 years ago . I'm now 59
So is it me with lack of training or is the gun or both .

Next time I'll try my daughters G19 and see how I do .
I can really see where you are coming from, I used to be a competitive pistol shooter, I started shooting pistols in competition in 1968, shot for a few years, worked up to Expert, then got burned out.

After I retired the first time I was offered and took a job as a Deputy Sheriff, I became interested in PPC, started shooting that and worked up to Master. After a few years a change of Sheriff, well the new Sheriff fired all the previous staff, so that ended that.

Now, years later I'm older and can't see the sights nearly as well, the eyes change with age and frankly there's nothing you can do about it, normal corrective lenses won't help since they don't allow you to focus on the front sight. To focus on the front sight you normally have to buy a special set of glasses dedicated to focusing on the front sight, but then you have an even poorer ability to see the target, and surgery won't fix those problems. Also as you get older you lose muscle tone and can't hold the pistol as steadily as you used to, add arthritis and I have lost a huge percentage of the ability to shoot compared to my younger days.

Now...I've found a partial cure, red dot sights, I tried it on a 22 pistol first, then got a 9mm M&P CORE, and now have an additional S&W Victory 22 with a red dot. So I have found a solution to the ability to see, and that's red dot sights, it doesn't help the other physical problems of getting older, but just the sights make a tremendous difference.
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Old February 18th, 2017, 10:17 AM   #4
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Yes I was thinking red dot if I shoot more .

Selling this gun and buy a core .
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XS Big Dots cured my sight problems......................
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Old February 25th, 2017, 05:59 PM   #6
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Yes but I have been reading a lot of stuff on the full size 9 not being accurate?
But the newer ones have a better barrel. Mine is a 2014 back to me or the gun.
15 yards and in I shoot ok .
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skar, in my case I knew it was the gun. IMO it's the exception and not the rule. I shoot a lot and have a 100 yard range on my land. But the inaccuracy of my M&P drove me nuts. Heck, I can shoot MOA at 100 yards with the right handgun. Yeah, it drove me nuts but I knew it was the handgun and not me.

Folks having problems post the problems. Folks not having problems tend to allow the world to just continue without comment. That tends to skew perception.

Sure, it could be you, but it could also be the M&P. OK, male chest beating aside, do you know anyone who actually knows how to shoot a handgun and not merely discharge it? I teach handgun and lots of males "confuse" the two (I'm being kind) thinking that I won't figure it out. Anyway, let someone else who actually can shoot a handgun try it to remove yourself from the equation. I suggest shooting from a rest to further remove the shooter from the equation.

If it's inaccurate either sell it or put more $ into it for a fitted APEX barrel. That was the decision I faced. I liked the way the gun fit me so I stayed with it.

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Yes but I have been reading a lot of stuff on the full size 9 not being accurate?
But the newer ones have a better barrel. Mine is a 2014 back to me or the gun.
15 yards and in I shoot ok .
My MP Pro 9mms one 2016, one 2017, both with new stock barrels sucked for being accurate. I put an APEX semi drop in barrel in both and now they shoot how I expected the factory barrels to be. I even stuck a storm lake barrel in my MP40 and it is much better now.

It's probably not you.
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Keep the gun and have apex put a awesome barrel in it. Best of both worlds.
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I just picked up a Demo gun today at my dealer maybe 50 rounds thru it. Took it to my truck cleaned and lubed and shot and just nailed target at 7 yards everything in 4 inch circle with big hole in center. Mines as accurate as my glock 19 at that range. Its a Dec 2015 build. According to shell casing envelope.

Put about 125 rounds thru it nice shooting pistol

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Old April 28th, 2017, 05:12 PM   #11
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"I don't shoot much, only a few times a year"

There's your answer.
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"I don't shoot much, only a few times a year"

There's your answer.
agreed ^^^^^^^
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Old April 29th, 2017, 06:16 AM   #13
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Apex barrels are the best for the money, but if you have bad habits, and dont shoot much, the Apex barrel isnt going to make you a sharp shooter.

And buying the C.O.R.E model wont fix the problem either. The C.O.R.E barrels are shit. A few of us on here have already been down that road.
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