n8toyota07

That looks to be a great design will be interested in seeing how it works out for you. Good luck!

jasonuscg

M&P sights are installed and are removed from the ejection port side of the slide. Some poor person might see this pic and drive the sights out or in on the wrong side.

Goteron

Good catch. All you sight installers take notes.

jasonuscg

LOL

JeffWard

Personal Opinion: You'll sell a HELL of a lot more units if you eliminate the cost of milling the slide!



Design an optic mounting plate system with an integrated tall rear sight BUIS that mounts in the current rear sight dovetail. Package that with a matched-height front sight. So you have 2 pieces that the average guy with a bench vise can install. No milling required!



But then I'm just practical like that...



Runn

Tiprip

I suspect the rear sight sized cross-sectional area of the unit you propose might have some issues holding up to the shear forces generated by the slide cycling against the inertia of the sight and mount.

JeffWard

Build it out of titanium... STILL cheaper than milling the slide in 2 places and tapping the required screw hole...



I like his design, but when you add up the cost of the mount, the milling, AND the micro-optics, you could buy a new AR-15 for the cost of the mod!



There's a LOT of bearing area in the rear sight dovetail of an M&P. You'd increase the bore-axis/sight-axis differential by a bit (which results in hold-over), but I doubt you'd have mechanical stress issues. Dove-tail mounting the system would raise your whole sight-plane another 1/2"??? It's not optimal, but it's not horrible. Put a can on the gun, and you're that high anyway...



I'm still waiting for a good accessory rail optic mount that wraps around the slide allowing a forward mounted optic, that does not cycle with the slide! Yes, you eliminate an easy holster option, but you also eliminate the thrashing your optic gets with slide cycle. You's also be able to pop it on and off like a laser/light.



Runn

JeffWard

http://combatoptical.com/catalog/PIS...L-BASE-86.html



$18...

KRWeiss

Although I really like the design, what's the application? Not many guys are going to be switching between different red dot sights on the same weapon



We have an M&P40 slide milled for the J-point/Doctor MRDS, our 1/4 oz. J-point has an integrated rear sight that works well with a factory front sight, and I for one am not interested in swapping it out with a 4 oz. Aimpoint monolith.

Tiprip

My fantasy would be for handgun companies to supply all pistols with milled slides and a plate with a dovetail for a rear sight. As dot sights grow in popularity and are manufactured smaller, tougher and (hopefully) a bit cheaper, I think they'll become much more common. You could then get the dot sight of your choice with the required adapter plate. Or you could choose to leave the factory rear sight on the factory adapter plate. OR you could install a low profile adjustable sight on an extra adapter plate and switch out depending on what game you're shooting.



The potential modularity of a milled slide with an adapter plate makes me salivate.

Goteron

Guys, thanks for the responses and interest. The whole project started with a request for a T-1 mounting solution. Surprisingly a LOT of end users want this. The other issue is height of the optic. If you have shot a milled

Slide vs dovetail adapter slide, 1/2" does make a difference. We looked at an integrated sight solution but nixed it for a few reasons.



I think the main draw is a standard. So knowing you can try a different optic, or just buy a new adapter plate for optics that may come out in the future.



The prototypes should be cut in the next few weeks and we are working on getting the adapter plates mass produced.



Thanks again for the interest and comments.

crossgun

An EXCELLENT design for the Aimpoint!



I WANT

Reiverman

Looks like it can be a little unwieldly and out of balance. I like the first option better. Besides. What type of holster would you have to use for that.

jasonuscg

I was thinking in a bag filled with other guns...

Goteron

Well guys, we have an update. Mark has been working around the clock and the prototypes look great. his work in general is amazing.



We have the quotes back from the manufacturer and everything is falling into place. We are going to let some end users bang on these for awhile, figure out some logistics, and then go into production with Glock T-1 and RMR, followed by additional optics and M&Ps.

jasonuscg

Great stuff.



Question, has there been any thought to include on one the the M&P versions a dovetail for wearing standard rear sights?

Goteron

To answer your question, we thought about it, and there are some considerations for it, but probably not right off the bat, as the gun has sights installed already...



Well guys, here it is, Mark worked his Black Magic with the sights and we have some pictures of the fully complete prototypes. Once we get them back, some will scatter to the wind for testing by other end users, and some will stay with us for testing.















On a side note, this has sparked our interest to produce some of the other designs have been sitting on. For us, its a big step, but once we get the prototypes complete, we will share them.

jasonuscg

I was just mentioning it for example someone might want to

• shoot irons with the full sight radius
• be able to return it back to a somewhat stock look
• be able to return it to a more easily concealable format without optics

A mount with a length of 1913 picatinny rail would nice as well.

Goteron

We would need to make the adapters out of steel, I wouldnt feel comfortable with that small dovetail in AL. We have a design for a 1913 rail adapter as well. Ill post a picture of that when I get a chance.