Why All of the Trigger Jobs on the M&P 9?

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Old August 7th, 2012, 09:57 AM   #21
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I'm surprised more people aren't feeling the need to explain themselves...
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Old August 7th, 2012, 02:56 PM   #22
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And the real reason why: Because we can.
It's like back in the good ol' days. Who didn't change, modify their new car, bike or truck ?

Bottom line is Boys and our toys. and because we can.
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I beg to differ. My front sight doesn't even think about moving now. Maybe my finger "likes" the apex parts better, or maybe there is a difference in how far back the striker is pulled--I don't know, I don't own a lab coat, or pretend to be a master gunsmith; what I do know, is that it works for me.
It sounds to me like you are improving your trigger control, that is what will diminish movement of the front sight.

One need not have a lab coat to understand some rudimentary physics. Apex trigger parts are great, but no trigger parts are going to change how the striker spring acts on the striker unless there are changes made to the striker assembly or the striker channel. I'm just saying.

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Old August 12th, 2012, 08:26 AM   #24
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Well, the title pretty much covers it.



I picked up my new M&P 9 threaded barrel combo yesterday, and the first thing I noticed was that it was assembled in March 2012. The trigger is much crisper with a more positive reset, and the weight is only 6#, as opposed to, my 2011 production M&P 9 that has a trigger weight of 6.8# . After talking with S&W I confirmed that I have one of the NEW Factory M&P triggers that are making their way onto the market.



With that being said. Why are people so anxious to get trigger weight reduced on their M&Ps? I realize that trigger weight has a lot to do with shot recovery and follow-ups, but reducing the trigger weight only reduces the lifespan of the firearm. Furthermore, with installing an aftermarket trigger kit, doesn't this void the warranty?



The reason I'm concerned about this is because I've seen a lot of problems in shooting in the 1911 arena over the past 10 years. People modify their guns, and after 1k rounds parts wear out and have to be replaced. Why aren't people more inclined to simply 'smooth out' their triggers instead of deliberately 'wearing out' their sear, trigger bar, and firing pin blocks in order to reduce weight and smooth operation ? Do people not realize that a simple polish will go a long way? Especially when it comes to MIM parts that are in the M&P.



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I'm not sure where you're getting your info or who is doing the work on the 1911 and M&Ps you've seen have issues after having trigger work done if done by a reputable smith.

I've been shooting my 1911 for many many years. I shoot about 1000 rounds a month and Ive never had an issue as a result of having my trigger worked on it. Same goes for my M&P 9 and 45. Both my M&Ps have Apex triggers.

Just because you have a trigger job does not shorten the life span of the weapon, that's a total falsehood.

As with everything mechanical, if the work is good and the parts are of quality there' should be no isssues, other than routine maintenance needed, and that applies to any system shot regularly.

Trigger control is probably the hardest fundamental to master and as a result having a good trigger helps the shooter run the pistol with more efficiency and accuracy.

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Today's marketing ploys are leaving most consumers feeling like they have a product that can make them shoot better. When, actually, there are so many inexperienced shooters out there that it drives me nuts.
I'm a professional shooter not the 200 rounds a year guy.

The above statement is and is not accurate. The reason for some of the after market additions are designed to help the shooter run the weapon better.
While I agree with you that a lot of it is junk and does nothing for the shooter but piss away his money, some of the stuff does not.

The difference is in being educated enough or have enough training so as to know what will help you and what is junk. I would never expect a guy that shoots his weapon 200 rounds a year to know much or be very proficient at running his gun. 200 rounds a year isn't enough shooting to help that guy develop solid fundamentals. At that level a trigger job might help but very little.

Most people worry more about gear than training and learning how to get the most out of what they have. Good trigger or bad trigger will make little difference in your shooting if your grip is all wrong, same for stance, sight alignment, sight picture, follow through etc etc....

Learn the fundamentals and train so you can make a better choice on what will help you and what will not. A good trigger is always a plus and the reason most shooters that know what they're doing make this initial change.

Either way I agree with the very last part, way too many gun owners don't have a clue what they're doing and that's dangerous for all of us.
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I'm surprised more people aren't feeling the need to explain themselves...
I don't know how I overlooked this one.

Many of us have no need to explain ourselves. Others may have some type of guilt complex that demands they explain there every move. Do you know of a valid reason reason why we should feel the need?
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A little of topic, but if Smith and Wesson has bettered the trigger on the FS 9, can anyone possibly confirm if they've fixed the early unlocking issue with them as well. If so and these are hitting the market already, that would make my decision on which gun to choose A LOT easier.
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I've heard reports that S&W has improved the trigger on the new or 2012 m&p's. Not sure about any locking issues though.
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A little of topic, but if Smith and Wesson has bettered the trigger on the FS 9, can anyone possibly confirm if they've fixed the early unlocking issue with them as well. If so and these are hitting the market already, that would make my decision on which gun to choose A LOT easier.
I'm certain it would have already been in discussion had this been the case.
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One need not have a lab coat to understand some rudimentary physics. Apex trigger parts are great, but no trigger parts are going to change how the striker spring acts on the striker unless there are changes made to the striker assembly or the striker channel. I'm just saying.
Agreed. The letoff force which releases striker is affected, but not the travel of, or force of the striker hitting the primer. The reduction of the trigger force is lighter so therefor less force is used to engage the trigger, which could be reducing and discernable movement in the front site as your finger needed to apply less force and possibly movement. This affect would be more pronounced with longer sight radiused guns.

Also, some people can't train themeselves out of a trigger control problem regardless of what work is done to the trigger. If you look at your open hand when moving your finger the way you would when operating a trigger, you'll see many muscles affecting other fingers and your palm well. For some people it's more worse than others and will always have to work at it.

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I've heard reports that S&W has improved the trigger on the new or 2012 m&p's. Not sure about any locking issues though.
I dont know. Ill say this though.. if my FS .40 (testfire date of 5-23-12) had the 'new' trigger.. id of hated to feel the old style! mine was about the grittiest feeling trigger (aside from my SKS) ive ever felt!

Hence.. why I did a trigger job!
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Same here, I have a June 2012 build M&P9, it is not improved over my 2008 model.
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Old August 14th, 2012, 12:15 AM   #32
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I don't know how I overlooked this one.

Many of us have no need to explain ourselves. Others may have some type of guilt complex that demands they explain there every move. Do you know of a valid reason reason why we should feel the need?
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You must've not gotten that I was being a smart a$$, or maybe I didn't convey it well... Well, never the less: There seems to be a real passion (something similar to my mother in law whom doesn't mind her own business and is worried about what everyone els is doing while whining about it) against doing this for no great reason. A greatness or necessity that will clearly be determined by the OP...

This relatively "new to firearms" fellow has the APEX! Need I explain myself?!



GOOD!

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