Apex poly FSS trigger for CCW?

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Old July 1st, 2013, 04:53 PM   #1
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Apex poly FSS trigger for CCW?

Hey it's Jim here. I'm new to the forum since I just got a new 9c. I plan to carry it concealed for self defense. Like many on here have said, the take up is gritty and feels pretty hard right before release, even though it does have the new 2013 sear and the reset feels decent. As a 1911 shooter, I'm tempted to try upgrading to the new poly FSS trigger. Will this trigger be OK for concealed carry and self defense or should it just be used for competition?
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Old July 1st, 2013, 05:19 PM   #2
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Hey it's Jim here. I'm new to the forum since I just got a new 9c. I plan to carry it concealed for self defense. Like many on here have said, the take up is gritty and feels pretty hard right before release, even though it does have the new 2013 sear and the reset feels decent. As a 1911 shooter, I'm tempted to try upgrading to the new poly FSS trigger. Will this trigger be OK for concealed carry and self defense or should it just be used for competition?
The APEX USB will get rid of the grit. The poly AEK can be used with any of the APEX action kits, but for carry use I would suggest the DCAEK.
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Old July 1st, 2013, 05:23 PM   #3
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Shooting the gun will get rid of the grittyness. Shoot about 500 rounds through it before you decide anything. I hated mine for 300ish rounds, and after about 350 400 rounds, the grittyness was pretty much gone. I then took a stone to the trigger bar surface that pushed up on the striker release, and no more grittyness at all now.
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I think having a forward set sear on a carry gun is not a good idea. I also have an M&P9c with a Burwell trigger job that breaks at 4 pounds, but I left the pre-travel alone. You need to have some pre-travel on a carry gun for safety reasons.
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Welcome to the forum from Texas Jim!
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Old July 1st, 2013, 06:27 PM   #6
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I would get the Duty Cary Action Enhancement Kit (DCAEK) with the Poly AEK trigger if you wanted to change the trigger vs the Forward Set Sear (FSS) kit on a carry gun. I have the DCAEK with Poly AEK myself.
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Thanks for the welcome and suggestions. I also was concerned about losing the pre-travel for concealed carry. I didn't know that the poly trigger could be used without the FSS. That's a great idea to use the poly trigger with just the DCAEK. Im glad to hear that works. Thanks.
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Also have the poly trigger and DCAEK and it is very nice!
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The APEX USB will get rid of the grit. The poly AEK can be used with any of the APEX action kits, but for carry use I would suggest the DCAEK.
Agreed I have the DCAEK on my carry gun.
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I have the DCAEK and the poly trigger. Keep in mind the standard poly trigger (N stamp) reduces pre travel 20%. A FSS really isn't a great idea for carry.
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I have the FSS on 2 of my carry guns, 5" PRO model (full 4.5 lb. FSS trigger) and a Sheild (5 lb., standard hinged trigger) and I can't imagine having it any other way. This is, by far, the best trigger kit for the M&P line of pistols, they've been installed in many LEO weapons. I don't get where folks come off telling other folks that an excellent trigger is a bad idea for a carry weapon. There is still some pretravel, much like a 1911, just not all the waisted takeup which the M&P factory trigger offers (and no, I don't need a lecture on the 1911's grip safety).

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I don't get where folks come off telling other folks that an excellent trigger is a bad idea for a carry weapon.
Most folks seem to feel as I do. The FSS was designed and marketed for comp shooters. The DCAEK is marketed for duty use. With the trigger being my only safety I want that extra uptake. The DCAEK with Poly AEK still has drastically less of it on my gun after install. He wanted a new trigger with less grit. That's what he'll get.

You're comfortable with yours and that's great. But why the hostile tone when people are merely answering his question with there personal opinions/experience? Your experience and comfort level is different. If you personally didn't go that route because of conserns you had why would you recommend it to others? He's still getting a great trigger designed with duty purposes in mind.
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Most folks seem to feel as I do. The FSS was designed and marketed for comp shooters. The DCAEK is marketed for duty use. With the trigger being my only safety I want that extra uptake. The DCAEK with Poly AEK still has drastically less of it on my gun after install. He wanted a new trigger with less grit. That's what he'll get.

You're comfortable with yours and that's great. But why the hostile tone when people are merely answering his question with there personal opinions/experience? Your experience and comfort level is different. If you personally didn't go that route because of conserns you had why would you recommend it to others? He's still getting a great trigger designed with duty purposes in mind.
Well said.
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Welcome to the Forum. I have 9 full size M&P's. All of them wear the FSS trigger kit. I carry my full size 40 Pro in the winter. Ia also have Apex kits on my 3 Shields and carry my 40 Shield in the summer. If you are a 1911 shooter, I highly recommend it.
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Most folks seem to feel as I do. The FSS was designed and marketed for comp shooters. The DCAEK is marketed for duty use. With the trigger being my only safety I want that extra uptake. The DCAEK with Poly AEK still has drastically less of it on my gun after install. He wanted a new trigger with less grit. That's what he'll get.

You're comfortable with yours and that's great. But why the hostile tone when people are merely answering his question with there personal opinions/experience? Your experience and comfort level is different. If you personally didn't go that route because of conserns you had why would you recommend it to others? He's still getting a great trigger designed with duty purposes in mind.
I'm going to have to agree with KRWEISS on this one. It is a very good trigger for people that can use it. What makes the FSS trigger any different than a nice carry 1911 trigger with similar trigger pull? Sure it says on their website "for competition" but that's for legality reasons.

Also what hostile tone did you read there? I see none.
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I'm going to have to agree with KRWEISS on this one. It is a very good trigger for people that can use it. What makes the FSS trigger any different than a nice carry 1911 trigger with similar trigger pull? Sure it says on their website "for competition" but that's for legality reasons.

Also what hostile tone did you read there? I see none.
I've got to say that I know where KRWEISS is coming from. I have people all time time talk about how they would never use the FSS and trigger for EDC and it gets old! I didn't think there was a hostile tone at all! Smart ass tone , maybe . 😄
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I didn't think there was a hostile tone at all! Smart ass tone , maybe .
More frustrated than anything. It seems the O.P. would want to hear experiences our members have had with their FSS Triggers (all positive so far) not the misgivings of a few who have no experience with them.

The FSS was designed and marketed for folks who wanted the trigger to break further forward. APEX offers 2 trigger springs with their Polymer FSS Kit (as they do with their metal FSS Trigger Kit), 4 lbs. for competition and 5.5 lbs. for "duty/carry use", so the entire comment about the FSS being "designed and marketed for competition use" is without merit. Besides, there is no "Competition Only" disclaimer on SCK, DCAEK, or FSS Trigger Kits, as only the CompAEK is intended "For competition use only".
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Besides, there is no "Competition Only" disclaimer on SCK, DCAEK, or FSS Trigger Kits, as only the CompAEK is intended "For competition use only".
The FSS used to have a disclaimer, Apex apparently had a change of heart.

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The trigger as it was originally designed and sprung would yield a pull around 3.5 lbs. On some guns it would be 3 or slightly less. We felt that due to the elimination of pre travel and the reduced sensitivity to pressure when adrenalized, the trigger posed a significant risk to our liability insurance if we did not recommend it be used for competition only. Since then we have had a stronger sear spring made (included in the FSS kit)that increases trigger pull weight. If all the springs in the kit are used, the pull weight is typically right around 5 lbs which seems to be an acceptable weight by many administrators who understand how trigger pull quality can affect the officer's ability to hit things on demand.The problem is that many do not have the newer sear blocks or haven't had their existing blocks modified to accept the new spring and plunger, or choose to mix and match springs to yield the pull weight less than what the full kit provides. As we cannot control what the end user does, we have to protect ourselves from the lowest common denominator.



If and when Smith chooses to offer our kits in their guns, we will be able to change the liability warning.



-Randy

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