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Old December 7th, 2015, 02:16 PM   #1
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Poor mans gunsmithing kit

Hey guys, i just got a MP9 and yes, it is my first ever handgun (that i technically own). I grew up hunting since i was old enough to walk and i know quite a bit about them (and certainly ready to learn more).

so i have been researching gunsmith kits and i saw one on brownells for $250.

I have been cleaning glocks, XD's, llamas, and plenty other guns my whole life and never bought more than hobbes #9, barrel brushes, patches, lube, and a few other cleaning tools.

For stripping the gun down to the last component, i have always just used a small allen key and punches out the pins... is this a horrible idea? i cant justify spending $250 when my makeshift allen key set, screwdriver, cuetips, toothpicks, toothbrush, and the previous listed supplies for $25 strips and cleans the gun just fine for me!

Thank you for your time, i would love to hear what your POV is on this
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Old December 7th, 2015, 07:22 PM   #2
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Save your money, for most things the budget route you have been using works fine.

I always like to have a set of good gunsmith screwdrivers on hand when working on my guns, but the M&P doesn't have any slotted or Phillips head screws. In this case make sure you have a set of good quality American made SAE (inch size) Allen head wrenches, they do have some of those, no metric sizes on the M&P.
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8 Piece Pin Punch Set

8 oz. Stubby Ball Pein Hammer

1-1/2 lb. Soft Face Mallet

5-1/2 in. Locking Clamp Pliers

Test Probe Set 5 Pc

You will want to make a slave pin for reassembly of the trigger group, the AGI video on the M&P outlines the use very well!

Get a section of 2X6 and drill a 1/2 hole in it for a pin relief. This will be handy for roll pins. The wood is soft enough to not mar. You can get cast offs at Home Depot for cheap!

There is all the stuff you need for gun smithing, and on a budget! (I have the same gear and have yet to be disappointed).

You may want to add allen keys for rear sight, and a proper front sight pusher, etc.. Thats where you want to spend your money, MGW makes the best.

Good luck!
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8 Piece Pin Punch Set

8 oz. Stubby Ball Pein Hammer

1-1/2 lb. Soft Face Mallet

5-1/2 in. Locking Clamp Pliers

Test Probe Set 5 Pc

You will want to make a slave pin for reassembly of the trigger group, the AGI video on the M&P outlines the use very well!

Get a section of 2X6 and drill a 1/2 hole in it for a pin relief. This will be handy for roll pins. The wood is soft enough to not mar. You can get cast offs at Home Depot for cheap!

There is all the stuff you need for gun smithing, and on a budget! (I have the same gear and have yet to be disappointed).

You may want to add allen keys for rear sight, and a proper front sight pusher, etc.. Thats where you want to spend your money, MGW makes the best.

Good luck!
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Hey guys, i just got a MP9 and yes, it is my first ever handgun (that i technically own). I grew up hunting since i was old enough to walk and i know quite a bit about them (and certainly ready to learn more).

so i have been researching gunsmith kits and i saw one on brownells for $250.

I have been cleaning glocks, XD's, llamas, and plenty other guns my whole life and never bought more than hobbes #9, barrel brushes, patches, lube, and a few other cleaning tools.

For stripping the gun down to the last component, i have always just used a small allen key and punches out the pins... is this a horrible idea? i cant justify spending $250 when my makeshift allen key set, screwdriver, cuetips, toothpicks, toothbrush, and the previous listed supplies for $25 strips and cleans the gun just fine for me!

Thank you for your time, i would love to hear what your POV is on this
Your experience has already shown what works for you, and most of the rest of us likely have similar experiences.

I have picked up a few specialized GS tools over the years that have been useful enough to justify their cost, such as a sight pusher, roll pin punches, assorted bits, calipers, GS vice, jeweler's files, and a used drill press.

I believe that picking up a tool here and there as needed, based on YOUR needs, is much better and more cost effective than buying any "kit."
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On item I like for M&P work is the armorer's block that Apex offers.
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I saw a video on the block a few weeks ago for the first time, it looks awesome!

https://www.google.com/search?q=apex...KnClQQ_AUICSgD

However, a chunk of wood as I described would work fine as the operator saves up some scratch toward a block. Id like to have one myself but I seldom if ever break mine down so Im hesitant to invest in one... yet. Now, if I hit the lotto... that another story!

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You guys would be amazed at the files we went through at Wilsons in one month. There is so many different files that it is almost impossible to remember. Out of the checkering files before we would even use one we would inspect it for straightness and even lines. one or rwo in six would be sent back or rejected in 20, 30, 40 lines.

Just for lapping it (no bench) not much is needed but when you go outside in a shop and set up a bench with some general repair you are in for some major orders and well thought out time-consuming orders for tools and parts.

A lot of tools can be made proprietary, for instance a Bow tie cutter was an old 45 barrel cut off and reamed out for a long reamer on a drill. The old Bl provided the alignment and was clamped with a piece of leather and vise grips. The cuts looked perfect and made a shiny VIS that would not shear lugs.
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8 Piece Pin Punch Set

8 oz. Stubby Ball Pein Hammer

1-1/2 lb. Soft Face Mallet

5-1/2 in. Locking Clamp Pliers

Test Probe Set 5 Pc

You will want to make a slave pin for reassembly of the trigger group, the AGI video on the M&P outlines the use very well!

Get a section of 2X6 and drill a 1/2 hole in it for a pin relief. This will be handy for roll pins. The wood is soft enough to not mar. You can get cast offs at Home Depot for cheap!

There is all the stuff you need for gun smithing, and on a budget! (I have the same gear and have yet to be disappointed).

You may want to add allen keys for rear sight, and a proper front sight pusher, etc.. Thats where you want to spend your money, MGW makes the best.

Good luck!
EB
I recommend adding a proper roll-pin punch so you don't bugger up the two pins in the frame you need to remove to get at components to clean them.The one you need is part number: 230-100-004 at Brownells.com. Well worth it. Also, Apex-Tactical.com has excellent videos on how to install their parts but they're also excellent for learning how to disassemble/reassemble the pistol. He also provides a suggested tool list required for each video. Youtube has them by searching "Apex-tactical".
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+++! on Taroman's suggestion, I have used the Apex blocks and trigger guides. They make life much easier...
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Old January 19th, 2017, 05:12 AM   #11
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You've received some excellent advice here. One of the most important suggestions, though, is to be SURE your punches are roll pin punches. The standard punch doesn't auto center on the roll pin and can screw it up. It is well worth the very minor extra cost of the roll pin punches. Look for a small ball on the business end of the punch. If it isn't there, don't buy the punch.

I too keep lusting after the armorers block from APEX and one of these days will pick one up. For now, I use a block of pine or other soft wood. But the APEX block is definitely in my future.
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I got some roll pin punches a number of years ago from Brownells, I needed them for assembling AR-15s. They have a little bump on the end which centers up in a roll pin so they don't slip. They are sold under the Brownells brand name and are very reasonably priced. Those things come in really handy!
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I got some roll pin punches a number of years ago from Brownells, I needed them for assembling AR-15s. They have a little bump on the end which centers up in a roll pin so they don't slip. They are sold under the Brownells brand name and are very reasonably priced. Those things come in really handy!
I got my set from Dillon Precision. They're made by Grace, I believe.
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Old January 31st, 2017, 08:07 PM   #14
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My video shows you just how 'Cheap' you can get away with on doing ANYTHING with the M&P. A lot of the tools can be found at Harbor Freight ... on sale ... nonetheless ... and I'd venture to say you could get away with $20 or less for the entire outfit.

Sorry ... it's an older video that needs updating, but the basic concept remains ... I was trained and taught by an old 1911 'smith who still used Bastard Files and sandpaper when he was building. He built some of the most sought after 1911's in Kentucky. Prior to that ... he was an old Muzzleloader / Kentucky Rifle builder.

With that being said ... I do own an entire set of 'Professional' tools that will run you into the Hundreds if not Thousands ... depending on how big a setup you want. But, for the purposes of this video ... I showed how 'cheap' you can get away with.

As a side note ... as a bench block you can simply drill a 1/2 hole in a cut 2x4 and cover it with 2 layers of Painter's Tape. That will keep you from marring your finish, and will last as long as you want it to.


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