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Old December 12th, 2016, 08:21 AM   #1
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Want to do the Burwell trigger job

I have the .pdf file. New to me, one owner M&P Pro, nice gun, PO said it had the 'Duty' trigger in it. Is that an Apex mod or what comes in a Pro?

It looks like a stone and a 3M abrasive wheel was used. I've never owned a stone, what should I buy? I would be ecstatic if a link was provided to a stone.

Also, I googled 3M wheel. Ouch, there are many, would prefer to buy the appropriate one.

Any suggestions on either would be appreciated.
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Old December 12th, 2016, 09:11 AM   #2
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You sound like your inexperienced to me. Why not just send the gun to burwell and let them do what they do best.
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I tried contacting him a year ago with no return contact. I suspect he isn't doing them anymore.
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Old December 12th, 2016, 01:30 PM   #4
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I did triggers on both my 1911 and my Glock 17, they run OK.

And I tried contacting Burwell. He's gone, just like this forum said he was.
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Old December 12th, 2016, 04:24 PM   #5
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You sound like your inexperienced to me. Why not just send the gun to burwell and let them do what they do best.
Thanks for the vote of confidence.
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Old December 12th, 2016, 06:26 PM   #6
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Thanks Brian,
good to know, i had no idea, i`ve never talked to those guys before, just heard alot about them and their awesome trigger jobs.
I do the same work as they do/did, so i never needed to deal with them.

I`ll also add in here for other forum members, i do my own work, i`m not for hire, just to make that clear.
I wouldnt want people thinking i do gun work as a business...i do not.
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Old December 12th, 2016, 07:01 PM   #7
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I would just go with Apex kit. Its already researched, tried and tested true and its quick and easy.
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Old December 13th, 2016, 07:32 AM   #8
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I did the Burwell trigger job on my own. It's actually quite easy to do. However.... with the pro series m&p.... I'd be hesitant to do it. The pro series is supposed to have a much better trigger than the stock model. Pm me if you need help.

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I did the Burwell trigger job on my own. It's actually quite easy to do. However.... with the pro series m&p.... I'd be hesitant to do it. The pro series is supposed to have a much better trigger than the stock model. Pm me if you need help.

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With my experience with the M&P pro`s, (earlier ones) i`ve played with, the factory triggers wern`t ever that good to start with... in fact, most of them actually wern`t any better than the "basic" standard models on most of the pro guns. It was more hit&miss than anything. You might have gotten lucky with one, the next guy in line to get one, didnt get to be as lucky. Quality control at some of these gun manufacturers really suck today. I don`t know what S&W`s "quality standards" policy is, but it sure as h e l l needs an update.

Smith recently started doing better triggers, but NOT by much. I have a brand new PC 9L Ported, the trigger is very squishy, you can`t feel or hear the re-set, and breaks at over 6lbs, thats unacceptable. Now i`m installing the Apex RAM, and the Apex trigger, AND the Apex gunsmith barrel. The OEM barrel is the sloppiest fit that i`ve ever seen in a target pistol... fore & aft in full battery is so loose that you can barely hit the paper at 7yds. Until thats all done, i dont consider the PC 9L that great of a gun for what they cost. To have to pay that kind of money for a gun, THEN, have to fix it with a few more hundred dollars of parts to make it shoot good, dosen`t leave you with a very fuzzy warm feeling about S&W/M&P guns. And no, i`m not shipping it back to S&W either... i`ll do a far better job fixing the gun the right way, far better than they ever will.

S&W did get one thing right... ergonomics of most of the M&P line... they ARE comfortable to shoot.

Sorry...end of rant...
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PaPow, you're right on the mark.

My M&P CORE had an OK trigger (I'm very trigger particular, others may have found it fantastic). But today after the rework and the APEX parts it's pretty good if still mushy. But I gauge my triggers by the 1911 or P-35 and most of todays triggers simply don't come close unless they're of that design.

My CORE had terrible accuracy, and after spending much time trying to get it to work, the APEX barrel and handfitting was the answer there.

I've written this before in different words... S&W makes a great gun for the average person, but their target models are simply lacking. My compact is plenty good for what I expect of it. There are other makers whose handguns I would check out if I was doing it all over, but I'm not. I'm happy with what I have at the moment. I also have a huge (to me) investment in the M&P.

I'd also like to have a 9mm compact set up with a red dot for competition and maybe CCW. I think it'd be fantastic. No one needs a 5" barrel and that slide mass when using a red dot in competition and to make minor Power Factor. But from my discussions with S&W they'll never make it.
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I had Dan Burwell do my trigger and sharkskin stippling on my M&P45 within the last year. He is very busy and it might take 7-8 emails before you get a reply. Keep trying because it is definitely worth the wait.
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cpsmith58, I performed the Burwell DIY trigger job on my less than a year old M&P Pro Series .40. This would have been several years ago now. I didn't use a stone, I used very fine auto sandpaper, 1200 grit I think.

Looking a the difference between the Burwell striker block and sear in comparison to the stock striker block and sear I tried to be very conservative in the sanding.

I can report that it did make a positive difference in the trigger, not Apex positive, but better than stock. Of course, just the polishing of the striker block and the sear helps to relieve the minimal amount of grit that the stock trigger had. If that is the goal, then it will be accomplished.

If the goal is to reduce the trigger pull weight, then of course more sanding will be required. Hope this helps!
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cpsmith58, I performed the Burwell DIY trigger job on my less than a year old M&P Pro Series .40. This would have been several years ago now. I didn't use a stone, I used very fine auto sandpaper, 1200 grit I think.

Looking a the difference between the Burwell striker block and sear in comparison to the stock striker block and sear I tried to be very conservative in the sanding.

I can report that it did make a positive difference in the trigger, not Apex positive, but better than stock. Of course, just the polishing of the striker block and the sear helps to relieve the minimal amount of grit that the stock trigger had. If that is the goal, then it will be accomplished.

If the goal is to reduce the trigger pull weight, then of course more sanding will be required. Hope this helps!
Bill,
all the sanding/polishing in the world will never change "trigger pull weight".
It will only make the "trigger pull" feel smoother.
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PaPow, you're right on the mark.

My M&P CORE had an OK trigger (I'm very trigger particular, others may have found it fantastic). But today after the rework and the APEX parts it's pretty good if still mushy. But I gauge my triggers by the 1911 or P-35 and most of todays triggers simply don't come close unless they're of that design.

My CORE had terrible accuracy, and after spending much time trying to get it to work, the APEX barrel and handfitting was the answer there.

I've written this before in different words... S&W makes a great gun for the average person, but their target models are simply lacking. My compact is plenty good for what I expect of it. There are other makers whose handguns I would check out if I was doing it all over, but I'm not. I'm happy with what I have at the moment. I also have a huge (to me) investment in the M&P.

I'd also like to have a 9mm compact set up with a red dot for competition and maybe CCW. I think it'd be fantastic. No one needs a 5" barrel and that slide mass when using a red dot in competition and to make minor Power Factor. But from my discussions with S&W they'll never make it.

You betcha buddy, you lived the same nightmare i`m going thru. Actually, YOU are the only reason i kept going with this 9L. I was happy to find someone else had gone thru those same pains and fixed his own problem, so, thats what made me keep the gun, knowing i could fix it and make the gun shoot right...i thank you brother.

Right again, i`ve invested alotta money in this 9L, not bitchin about that, just pizz`s me that i have to spend more money to make it shoot right. Like you, to much invested in it, i`m keeping it. And the gun fits my hand like a well used glove... the kind you dont wanna give up on.
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all the sanding/polishing in the world will never change "trigger pull weight".
It will only make the "trigger pull" feel smoother.
It will if you remove material per the Burwell DIY PaPow. It did make the trigger smoother due to the polishing, but I lost at least a lb. in trigger pull weight as I recall.

As a point of information, I still use that sear in one of my .40 caliber Shields. Lowered the trigger pull weight in that gun also.
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